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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Aqdas, Apr 19, 2007.
i believe this is the part i summarised:
rough meaning of the above:
It is also disrespectful to mention any attribute of the prophets in a lowly manner or compare oneself or others to the prophets even if there is no intention to disrespect. For example, if one says, “people think ill of me; people also used to think ill of the prophet”, so as to lift the burden of blame from oneself or to say for the same reason, “people call me a liar; they used to call the prophet a liar too” or to say, “how can I be safeguarded from peoples words; even the prophets were safeguarded from this”. [qadi ‘iyad did not even want to write these words in red but he did so to protect people from using them].
Qadi ‘iyad says: even if these words are not meant to be disrespectful and no ill feeling is intended; they do attribute deficiencies to the prophet. The speaker of these words has not taken account of the status of prophethood nor the respect of the messenger. Allah has granted the prophet a great status and countless honours and this person has compared the prophet to such things.
Even if this person is not to be killed; he will be jailed and due to his speech, he will be deserved of a strict punishment.
this is about disrespect without intention from ash-shifa of qadi 'iyad. it is from alaHazrat's Daf’áy e Zaygh e Zāgh
"[May that faithless person's mouth burn who ever says that the Prophet's clothes are dirty! If God gives him the tawfeeq to have right ettiquete why doesn't he say this that 'the dust has taken refuge in the Prophet's clothes/cloak'?"
SubhaanAllaah..look at the love of Ala Hazrat Rahmatullahi Aley. I wish I could attain to even a fraction of their love for the Beloved of Allaah Sall Allaahu Aleyhi Wa Sallam.
i want to add to Husain ahmad tandwi and rasheed aHmad gangohi's excerpt. both deobandis say when words that might even resemble disrespect are kufr and the one who says/writes them is kafir, this is true. this is what imam e ahle sunnat aHmad sa'eed kazmi raHimahullah says here:
in sharh fiqh al-akbar, mulla ali al-qari: [pg.226]
it is reported from abu yusuf rahimahullah that it was
mentioned that RasulAllah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
liked the gourd [dubba'a]; a person there said: 'i
don't like it'. so he ruled that he had become an
but remember that here the man said so inspite of
having mentioned that RasulAllah sallallahu `alayhi wa
sallam liked it, as if he did not value that, as if he
insulted RasulAllah's liking.
Ya Ala Hazrat! Teri azmat ko salam!
a student of ala hazrat --it might even have been his son -hamid raza khan or mustafa raza khan -- Allah bless them all --came to Ala Hazrat and said that in the book Fatawa Alamgiri [Fatawa al Hindiyyah] it is written that if someone says 'the Prophet's clothes were dirty' he becomes a kafir straight away for that is disrespectful but in our Urdu language it is an idiom if someone's clothes are dirty or dusty to say, 'So-and-so's clothes are dirty' [uske kapre melay hain]; if we are talking about the Prophet in Urdu and we want to mention that the Prophet got dirt on his clothes---(since the Prophet was humble and would often sit on the floor where sand or dust could get on his blessed clothes) how else can we say it? I find it a bit harsh that one can become a kafir simply for using a common Urdu expression?' Ala Hazrat replied. 'Us baymaan ka munh saray jo yeh kahay kay Huzoor kay kapray mela hain. Khuda tawfeeq e adab de tau yeh kyon na kahe keh mittee ne daaman e rahmat mein panaa lay lee hai?!"
[May that faithless person's mouth burn who ever says that the Prophet's clothes are dirty! If God gives him the tawfeeq to have right ettiquete why doesn't he say this that 'the dust has taken refuge in the Prophet's clothes/cloak'?"
Allahu Akbar! Compare how careful Ala Hazrat was compared to the shamelessnesss of the Deobandits who spewed forth such filth that even their defenders have been forced to admit it was 'repugnant'.
does anyone know about these narrations? i have heard them but might be mixing them up.
(1) a man in the company of imam aHmad ibn Hanbal said: i don't like kaddu [turnip? pumpkin?]. he did not mean disrespect but kaddu shareef was a favourite of sayyidina rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam. imam aHmad asked him to repent
(2) a man in the company of imam malik said about the dust/soil of madina: i do not like it. imam malik said repent or i will get you lashed. i know imam malik has a fatwa that 30 lashes for the person who says it but is there an incident?
sayyida 'aisha tells us what is disrespectful
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490:
The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him."
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 493:
The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."
Book 004, Number 1038:
Masruq reported: It was mentioned before'A'isha that prayer is invalidated (in case of passing) of a dog, an ass and a woman (before the worshipper, when he is not screened). Upon this 'A'isha said: You likened us to the asses and the dogs. By Allah I saw the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) saying prayer while I lay on the bedstead interposing between him and the Qibla. When I felt the need, I did not like to wit to front (of the Holy Prophet) and perturb the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and quietly moved out from under its (i. e. of the bedstead) legs.
There are other narrations to this effect.
These are the words which Ummu'l Mu'mineen radiyAllahu ta'ala anha used to show she took offence:
شبهتمونا بالحمر و الكلاب
عدلتمونا بالكلاب و الحمر
If Ummu’l Mu’mineen was offended at being compared with dogs, then we must be careful to not compare RasulAllah sallAllahu ‘alaihi wasallam to animals.
gangohi on disrespect without intention
rashid aHmad gangohi said this: