Division of Ulema regarding Dr. TuQ

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by medni, Mar 27, 2012.

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  1. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    Mods here have said that I am worthless as a nickle and it doesn't matter whether I am alive or dead.

    Why should my opinion matter to you?
     
  2. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    Forget everyone else - do you think TuQ is a sunni?
     
  3. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    I am here for a logical discussion and you start attacking me?
    Where did I call him Mujaddid?

    Why are you putting words in my mouth?
     
  4. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    You clearly mentioned that the Diyyat issue and the beard issue were the only issues of contention. Yet, when proof is supplied that negates your claim you move onto something else. There is not point discussing anything with you. You did not even understand Haddad's conclusion in his fatwa. You claim to follow Shah Sahib, so follow him on this that TuQ is definitely non-Sunni at least rather than your call of proclaiming him a Mujaddid.! May Allah guide you for you truly have lost your way.
     
  5. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    We are dsicussing which Ulema have done Takfeer and which ones have differed and have not done Takfeer.

    Syed Shah Sahib has differed with Dr. TuQ and not done Takfeer.
    eve this video doesn't show him doing takfeer.
     
  6. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    So you were wrong? yes or no?
     
  7. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    ok..I didn't know about this link.

    But , still Shah Turab ul Haq(db) has not done Takfeer in this video also.
    So it doesn't make any change in our list of Ulema and their position about Dr.TuQ.
     
  8. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

  9. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    HE has criticised Deobandis for supporting Imkan e Kizb and refuted their Wahabi leanings..

    If anyone scholar has called G F Haddad as deviant , please let me know.
    Because I know that Shaykh Yaqoubi is on good terms with him..

    Please post any fatwa you have against him
     
  10. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

  11. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    So are these the only issues that Shah Sahib has with the Doc?
     
  12. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

  13. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    Beard Issue
     
  14. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    Shaykh G F Haddad has refuted Deobandis on many ocassions.
    http://eshaykh.com/doctrine/deobandis-tabighis-wahhabis/
    http://www.livingislam.org/n/tufm_e.html
    And he believes in Noor Bashar,Hazir Nazir,Ilm e Ghayb.

    What else you want?
     
  15. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    What more points?
     
  16. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    He also supports the Deobandis. So based on your reasoning you should also maintain silence on them. And wait a minute! You should even call Ashraf Ali a mujaddid. Astaghfirullah. You have lost all common sense.
     
  17. khadim.awliya

    khadim.awliya Banned



    Only on this forum, i came to know about the shady translations done by Mihaj ul Quran in English.



    The Ulema ( scholars ) who support Dr. Taher al Qadri do they know about his mistakes and do they consider these mistakes to take Dr Taher al Qadri outside Islam ( murtad Kafir ) ?
     
  18. HarunI

    HarunI Banned

    Sunni Tablighi Jamaat is a well known name in India among Sunnis.
    They are based out of Darul Uloom Manzar e Islam in Bareilly and have close association with Mufti Akhtar Raza.They also do big Ijtemaat in Mira Road,Mumbai and have Ulema like Dr. Amin Mia Barkati visiting them.

    Their well known mosques in Mumbai include Phool gulli Mosque(One that organised rally against Dr. TuQ),
    Santacruz(W) station Mosque and many more....

    Some online sources for you::
    http://sunnitableegijamaat.wordpress.com/about/
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sunnitabligijamat-d-i/186842801400654?sk=photos
    http://www.youtube.com/user/SunniTableegiJamaat/feed
    http://search.4shared.com/q/ACA/1/dawat+e+shetani+by+sunnitableegijamaat
     
  19. Najibullah

    Najibullah New Member

    Who said that Sunni Tableegi Jamat are followers of Mufti Akhtar? They do not have any official endorsement from the Markaz in Bareilly Sharif. Mufti Akhtar Raza has himself clarified that he does not do takfeer of either DI or SDI nor considers them gumrah. He holds them to be Sunni but does not consider them to be proponents of the finer points of Maslak e Ala Hazrat.

    Allamah Kawkab Nurani has strongly refuted the Dr. and called him nothing less than a Padri and Syed Shah Turab ul-Haq generally follows the senior Ulama in India on these matters.
     
  20. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Ok. I will see what I can get for you in terms of recent documentation. Just know that I don't live in the subcontinent, so it might take some time.

    That thing you say about "gumrah" because of the diyyat issue, is from way back from pre-911 times. And as I stated elsewhere, there itself they should've slapped a takfeer fatwa on him as according to fuqahaa just deviating from the ijma3 of 4 madhhabs is enough for takfeer. Had they blasted him then, his fitnah wouldn't have spread this far.
     

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