Fadak and khatā

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Waqar786, Jan 2, 2021.

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    here is an exercise. search the number of instances in the 9 books of hadith that refer to sayyiduna RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam as 'abu'z zahra' and compare with the number of instances in the same books referring to our master as 'abul qasim".
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  2. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    It's bit of wishful thinking given the ground realities. As I said before, tafzilism is here to stay (it's a bane of subcontinent, more so in Pakistan than in India, if I may say so). More sunnis are likely to turn rafizis, than the other way around; bit like entropy/chaos, it's a one way traffic until the coming of Time.
  3. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Mufti sahib makes an apt point. Rafizis/tafzilis be damned. abul Qasim is the preferred kunya (as is the practice of Arabs), even though lineage/sa'adats is/are from Sayyidah Fatima (radiAllahu anha).
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    when irfan shah comes back to the UK - every sunni should boycott him.
    let him go to his shiah friends and hobnob with them.

    don't give him space. don't give him space to set fire to ahl al-sunnah.

    i urge irfan shah to do tawbah and seek forgiveness of asif jalali. that is what the shariah commands. and fear for your aakhirah.

    al-dinu al-naSiHah.
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    we will never spare anyone who looks at the ahl al-sunnah with evil intentions. and if need be, we can pluck out their eyes, bi idhnillah.

    a'ada se kahdo khayr manayen na sharr karen.

    [this particular post is not about irfan shah; it is about rawafid who are using him]
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  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ok brother, so this is a maslaha/mafsadah point/counter-point between us forum members

    i agree that the next 2 (open tafdilis and taqiyyabaz rafidis/tafdilis) are relevant

    however, your point is - they should not be confronted with the kind of attitude the mufti (in post # 228) is suggesting.

    my point is that they should be smoked out of their holes
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    there is only one yardstick. the shariat of mustafa. sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.
    jo is se hate gaa, use kaat diya jayega. we won't brook this surreptitious pushing of rafidi aqaid.

    Allah ta'ala knows best. the speaker was saying what i wanted to say here.

    this is why young sunnis should read about aqaid from books of our glorious ulama in the past.

    nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.
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  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a friend sent me this link. he was saying things i been saying:
    (i don't know about the speaker at all. first time seeing him, but i agree with what he is saying here)

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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    those who support irfan shah and his gali galoch are juhala even if they have degrees and wear two meter imamahs.
    plus on this mas'alah, anyone who is against jalali is not only wrong but embarrasses themselves that they have no clue of aqaid. their foolish and dumb murids may 'wah-wah' it today, but when people look back after a couple decades, they will be cancelled from the list of sunni ulama.

    that will be their destiny.

    irfan shah is cancelled. we won't be cowed by these silly threats of 'we are sayyids' when we demand proof for their claims.

    zulm has its consequences.
    dumb muridin may worship ahl e bayt.
    we only respect them until they are in line with the shariat of mustafa sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.
    if they step out of line of ahl al-sunnah, we are not bound to keep silent.

    there is a distorted concept of 'respect' to the point that people hesitate to mention flagrant violations of the shariah. is irfan shah higher than the shariah of mustafa sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam?

    Allah ta'ala hates those who use foul language. this is the hadith of mustafa sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

    may Allah ta'ala humiliate the rafidis and give sense to their pawns among sunnis.

    these maulvis can only shout in majlis in front of gullible public and the sensible ones have to sit quiet - else the majority of juhala will kill them.
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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    Allahu Akbar.

    inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajiun.

    when did this happen. i missed a lot of posts below.

    sub'HanAllah, i didn't know this for four days! and just saw the messages (even though i had posted some myself after the ones that discuss it).

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  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Yes, point taken.
  12. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    First one is irrelevant but yes the second 2 because it aids their propaganda. I also did not like what Mufti Sahib said about giving the preference to the kunya of Abu Qasim over Zahra ka baba because it entails comparison between Sayiduna Qasim and Sayida Fatima. That's not wise and can (and will be) misconstrued as if Mufti Sahib is preventing sunnis from using the term Zahra ka baba. Don't give them any more fuel for their propaganda against true sunnis

    It's an age of fake news and partisanship. It requires our sincere scholars to adopt more wisdom.
  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Who are "those"?

    The open rafidi's?
    The open tafdilis?
    Or the taqiyyabaz of the rafidi's and tafdilis?

    If it is any Sunnis, what is their daleel for leveling an accusation of nasibiyat?
  14. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Aqdas... Although I understand where mufti sahib is coming from in the first video, that is not how you address the issue. It is giving an open goal to those who accuse sunni of Nasabism. Need to be more wise than this. This won't solve the issue of hidden rifz but rather strengthen their hand.
  15. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    That struck me too. I guess they have the Hadith of the slave girl to rely on.
  16. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Why aunni ulama cannot speak about Allah Subhabu wa Ta'la without pointing their finger towards the sky?
  17. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Shaykh ul Hadith sahib speaks sense

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  18. Unbeknown

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  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    the more I think about it the more I feel that this was a pre-planned psyop - how many of those involved knew it to be such and how many were opportunistically jumping the bandwagon - Allah alone knows.

    a modicum of public consent was manufactured so that jalali sahib's arrest would'nt lead to mass protests. see how all the great "conferences" have suddenly dried up after the arrest - the "silencing" operation was successfully executed.

    where's mawlana kaukab sahib now? why is he silent? and where is qari tayyib sahib? no naseehas now?

    not one from the opposing camp has expressed even fake concern for the arrested sunni mazloom - even on purely humanitarian grounds (so far as I am aware).

    is this how you treat a colleague - even if you vehemently disagree with him?

    sayyid muzaffar sahib - totally disappointed.
    khadim sahib - totally disappointed.
    irfan sahib - lost for words.

    these couldn't have been unaware of what they were doing - I will have to start believing in far fetched conspiracies or powerful possession and magic - to give them the benefit of doubt.

    I believe this is the bubble of sunni taqrirism finally burst.

    all skilled muqarrirs - all whose speeches would move you to say ash ash - they'll pull a she'r from Alahazrat, a farsi she'r from bustan of saadi, another from shah waliAllah, and will mesmerize you with the oracular poetry of Iqbaal - you'd think you were flying in the heavens. They will be invited to sprawling na'at mega-events - and will be seen swaying and occasionally in wajd. All anchors and na'at khwaans are in awe of them.

    but now you see, there's no substitute to knowledge - no matter how dry you might find it.

    muqarrirs might be good for a leisurely weekend - but if you are serious about saving your skin in the akhira - better go to the most dry and the most tongue-tied and the most anonymous - a mere mawlana of a scholar - sitting in some obscure madrasah.

    he won't make you fly in the air - but at least he will tell you the plain truth - a bitter dose of realism is infinitely better than the sense of complacency engendered by a firery taqreer.

    Allah knows best.
  20. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I listened to his entire clip. even if I don't agree with everything Molana Ghufran Silyalwi Sahab has said, I really appreciate that he came out and spoke on the issue unequivocally. I had never listened to him before. MashaAllah. May Allah Ta'ala protect him from all sort of fitan

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