failed mosques

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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    trial shahadah? is it valid? what is the status of a person who accepted islam by reciting the kalima but only to see if it suits him and thinking that if it doesn't he can simply stop calling himself a muslim and carry on with life?

    this is a general question not specific to the above video as we do not know how authentic the incident is.
  2. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Hafiz Sahib is not a devbandi.

    However he has invited Haroon Hanif to a Mawlid. Hanif has compared the 'Barelwis' to the Khawarij and a lot more. Sunnaforum has a thread on him.

    He also invited Akram Nadwi's student Saqib to the Mawlid.

    But both Hanif and Saqib didn't bother turning up like the Jewish community didn't at Tahir's bash at Wembley.

    Hafiz Sahib are linked to the Ghamkol Sharif Tariqa and are a Murid of Hazrat Sufi Abdullah Khan I think.
  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Ghulam, is that guy a deobandi proper?
  4. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    It is sad Hafiz Aslam was taking young kids to see Mark

    when he has been saying the rubbish below

    “I’ve been in my share of exclusivist tradition, when I first became Muslim that was the type of Islam I was introduced to… when you begin to look at the nuances of our traditions you find is that they are deeply compatible at those most basic fundamental levels as they are teaching universal truths, and they would not resonate in the millions of hearts if that were not true.”

    “One of the things our Abrahamic Traditions suffer from is exclusivism. Many of the people who adhere to Abrahamic teachings whether they be Jews, Christians or Muslims, tend to see themselves as having some monopoly on the truth, and monopoly on the truth as far as any real Abrahamic traditions would say would be God’s alone.”

    “If we accept or assume the possibly that He did speak, the divine spoke through these revelations of the Old Testament, the Older Testament, the New Testament then the Quran, which each one has their claim. If we do accept that certainly God has many voices, and to claim any one voice to be the exclusive voice of God is a very dangerous thing to do.”

    Hope the kids have not been exposed to the above rubbish at CoK as he will be responsible if the kids who look up to him end up at the CoE - Allah Ta'ala be our refuge

    Also who Hafiz Sahib sees as the 'Shaykh ul Islam of the British Isles' sits with the Christians to do 'Scriptural Reasoning'

    It would be good to know if Tim and Mark see the trinity in a monotheistic light. Maybe Hafiz Sahib can ask them for us
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I hope people don't start acting on the two hadiths he quoted without going through their explanations and learning the fiqh of adab of masajid. reminds me of what I read in MFM:

    "There are other such examples in ĥadīth, where the Prophet  did not stop a deplorable action immediately, but explained the ruling afterward. For example, a bedouin began urinating in the masjid and the Prophet  did not stop him. This ĥadīth is found in many books including Bukhārī, Muslim, Musnad Imām Aĥmed, Sunan Ibn Mājah, Sunan al-Kubrā of Nasāyī, Musnad Abū Yaálā, Sunan al-Kubrā of Bayhaqī and others. The following report is from Şaĥīĥ Muslim:

    Anas ibn Malik mentioned that a bedouin stood up inside the Masjid and urinated therein. People cried out [in shock] and RasulAllah  said: “Leave him.”

    Imām Bukhārī listed this ĥadīth under the caption: “On being gentle always.” Imām Nawawī says that RasūlAllāh  did not stop him because the deed was already done and the bedouin had already dirtied the masjid. Secondly, interrupting him would cause the man discomfort as he would not have completely relieved himself. Thirdly, if people rushed to stop him, he would have risen midway and thus dirtied his clothes too; or if he darted across the masjid in panic, he would dirty a much larger area. Qāđī Íyāđ says that the lesson in this ĥadīth is that we should be considerate with ignorant people and compassionate in teaching them, without being harsh or being abusive with them. The bedouin’s action was because of ignorance; not out of spite or being intentionally disrespectful. In another narration about the incident of the bedouin urinating in the masjid, RasūlAllāh  called him afterward and said:

    These mosques are not for urination or defecation. Rather, the masjid is to remember Allah, and to pray and recite the Qur’an.

    Can this incident be used as a basis to invite people to urinate in the mosque?"

    besides, if what he says is true then it further proves the opinion of the cautious ulema that sending children to secular/non-muslims' schools is nigh to jeopardizing their iman.

    The west is not a good place to be. Better eat chutney-roti in your own mohalla and protect your and your progeny's deen than fly to the luxury and extravagance of the west and pay for it your akhirah. Allah('azzawajal) be our refuge!
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    he talks about children of Muslims attending church everyday during the school holidays and the christian priests "teaching" them about the Prophet, 3alaihis salat o salam; about children of Muslims saying "son of god"; and about Muslims celebrating christmas and so on

    but isn't all this a part of interfaith harmony and humanism that is preached by ali jifry and omar bin hafeez and mark hanson and others?

    they should all be very proud of such children and such parents.

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