Fatwa on Irfan Shah from Bareilly

Discussion in 'Refutation' started by Aqdas, Sep 21, 2021.

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  1. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Irfan Shah is old news. I think we can ignore the troll and move on.
     
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  2. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    There has been a few attempts made by Sunni scholars to sit/speak with Shah Sahib. All of which have been shunned or predicated with the condition that they must first sign the fatwa against Shah Sahib.

    Let us not talk about manners because we both heard Shah Sahib's speech in the Narawol conference complete with gestures too. Such is their confidence in the proficiency in profanities, they boasted in one talk that they could spend all day swearing without repeating a swear.

    If you are not here to troll and are sincere in resolving the issues with Shah Sahib then get them ready to sit down with the Sunni scholars to clarify their statements.

    I have never met Mufti Aslam or Qari Tayyab or spoken to them but I reckon I got more chance of getting them to sit down then you have of getting Shah Sahib to do the same.
     
  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    What was his reaction and which specific video are you talking abt? Enlighten me.
     
  4. Munnawar

    Munnawar New Member

    Mufti aslam? He will listen to you? Did you see his reaction in that video that with sheikh asrar sb no offence. Even the deo debate was awful and no manners.
     
  5. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    We need one of them once in a while, so we can bat them away. Pun intended.
     
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  6. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    **Troll Alert **

    We had the PAQ fan trolls earlier, now we can see the new breed of Iran Shah fan trolls slowly showing up. The common thing in all these people is that they are absolutely brainwashed with the inability to think correctly. No use putting your points across in front of the likes!
     
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  7. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Munawwar Stay true to your word... Get Shah Sahib to meet with the likes of Mufti Aslam and Qari Tayyab and have a discussion. If you can do that, then it will be beneficial for all parties.
     
  8. Munnawar

    Munnawar New Member

    Of course they will sit down with them. You can come and ask them questions. Let me know I'll arrange for you. Aqdas shahid the lot if they had jhurat will come. Come and sit with a sayyid saab

    Hujjat tul Islam is relaxed. They still in jti and jti won't kick them out. At this moment of time they are the blessed feet of Huzur ghouse pak RadiAllahu Anhu
     
  9. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    And if they really are 'Hujjat ul Islam', they should have no issue sitting down with the Sunni Scholars who have raised issues against them, and providing the proofs that will exonerate them.

    Instead they are still looking to garner suppprt for a fatwa on Jalali Sahib; which again the vast majority of Sunni scholars here and abroad ignored.
     
  10. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    JTI's decision is up to them but that changes nothing. Shah Sahib is longer known as Hujjat ul Islam in Sunni circles.

    I hope they will reflect on their statements and the damage they have caused whilst in Baghdad.

    If you are objective, you would feel the same way
     
  11. Munnawar

    Munnawar New Member

    Hujjat tul Islam is relaxed. They still in jti and jti won't kick them out. At this moment of time they are the blessed feet of Huzur ghouse pak RadiAllahu Anhu
     
  12. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Using a cricketing phrase, Shah Sahib have been caught at the wicket. You can discredit the fatwa all you want but what you can't do is hide the fact that there are multiple and major issues with Shah Sahib. The sunni public are aware of this and have mainly shunned Shah Sahib.
     
  13. Munnawar

    Munnawar New Member

    What's with the force signatures lol well this is according to those who's name were written without their permission. Care to explain
     
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member



    After 3h23m, Shaykh Asrar refutes Irfan Shah.
     
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  15. Ok thats fine.

    In your previous post on the other thread you said something to this effect that "Mufti Monnawwar will sign if Azmi sahab signs"
    well azmi sahab signed and he hasn't.
    From what i'm seeing he just diverts the questions regarding his view on the matter.

    Why are ALL the sunni Ulama so scared to speak up.

    even Mufti zahid of sunniway, his sign is not on here. Nor has he spoke about this.
    its easy to slide the matter under the carpet saying the fatawa is enough. 5 years later another issue comes with another aalim more SUNNI ulama will back off signing stuff as they will use these well known scholars as a benchmark/reference point.

    lets not quibble!

    Dont sign. at-least speak up openly saying his deviated. 5 seconds tis will cost them!
     
  16. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    At this moment of time, they are not very well. They've spoken up against Shah Sahib previously. It's sufficient. Undermine the fatwa all you want, it doss not hide the serious issues with Shah Sahib.
     
  17. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    This thread is sufficient in showing the state of Sunnis... a sorry state of affairs. We know that Shah Sahib has gone off track and the fatwa is merely a confirmation of that. We now just leave him to it.

    Quibbling over little details is just point scoring and diverting attention from the real issue. If scholars (especially those based here) want to focus on more pressing issues, they should be allowed to do so.
     
  18. So why is he hesitant to sign?
     
  19. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Well, that’s true. We’ve got other problems too.

    That’s just hearsay. Shaykh Asrar actually went to the Birmingham meeting and endorsed the discussion about Irfan Shah.
     
  20. Too worried about their beautiful reputation.
    Also shaykh Asrar. THEY BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY OTHER PROBLEMS IN AHLUS SUNNAH. IRAN SHAH IS PAKISTAN ISSUE!
     

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