Hadrat Siddiq-e-Akbar | radiyAllahu Ta'ala 'anhu

Excuse me!!! Hatred for the Ahl al-Bayt! Lowering the status of the family of Sayyidatuna Fatima! [and the pleasure, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them] I wholeheartedly agree with the ruling that the one who raises the rank of Mawla Ali over that of Sayyiduna Siddiq al-Akbar is a bidati [which is the issue and not the person, and the pleasure, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them BOTH too ]. So, what am I?

 

so why do you attack syed irfan shah. He is Aulaad e Fatima also. Is that not double standards.

 

Naqshbandijamaati you are the biggest hypocrite on this Forum,how come you have not changed your username yet but you have changed your Pir Sahib AGAIN.Why?.

My Challenge still stands come on Guys lets sit with Shah Sahib or have you lost the bottle.

You see people are seeing the true colours of certain people with the hatred for Ahle Bayth and trying their utmost to Lower the status of Aulaad e Fatima but how can they suceed Yazid Lanati tried and failed and guess what he also stated that he's a sunni,a bit like people in this day and age.

What really surprises/shocks me that these molvies and their pets who are launching attacks on Muffakar e Islam but if ever these Molvies bump into Shah Sahib in any Mehfil their Heads are Bowed,they haven't the guts to even look up.

Haq Ali

 

abu fadl. What is your real name.
Anyway reading your posts you seem to attack many ulema also.

 

You people are idiots, you do not judge tajweed based on speeches given in urdu. Let us pull out the speeches given by ALL Ulama from the Indian subcontinet and go through them. This is a malicious campaign by bigots using fake names.

Over 90% or 95% of Ulama in Pakistan have not studied tajweed and it has not been part of the curriculum in most madrasas. I have confirmed from brothers close to Shah Sahib and he studied the major works of tajwid, he is also spoke at major conferences on Qur'an recitation. Not that any of our great shuyukh are answerable to idots on the internet but when you spread plain rubbish about ulama and syeds it should be dealt with.

As for the malefic cyber boys, please can you state which works of tajweed you have studied? And no, this is not asking how accurately you think you can imitate an Arab accent (yes, one plonker did mention Arabs as the benchmark).

aH, question still stands, which works of usool al-Hadith have you studied and from which madrasa/teacher have you obtained a sanad in Hadith? Afterall you have made such a bold claim in your first post.

 

Thanks for the correction but some brother from ST did; it was released as a PDF file...

 

go ahead. show me how what i said is wrong in light of the rules of tajweed and arabic pronounciations

the fact is you are a troll who is at war with himself and doesn't have any substance to offer anyone, not even deobandis or wahabis or tafdilis

 

Correction: Sidi Asrar did not write any refutation. His Kunya is Abu al-Hasanat and he does not use forums.

Molana Asrar debated Dimashqiyya which is available on SunniTalk and he also had a live radio debate available somewhere on SunniTalk too.

 

and people forget who is the root cause of the sunni-tafdhili spat which has split sunnis (by having an idiosyncratic POV not shared by any Sunni before or since)...and where is the 600 page book?

Any neutral person would support Abu Hasan in this.

 

I think the history of Shah Sahib speaks volumes...we are still awaiting the response to the Bukhari refutations which Sidi AH and Sidi Asrar of SunniTalk made...

His followers use emotional blackmail and the fact he is a sayyid to browbeat any critique...and imagine he is in fact free from error...

I will believe Sidi AH especially when the prevous mistakes and insults to imam ghazali and bukhari etc. havent been answered...

 

if it pleases some people that attacking saHabah and senior tabiyin, calling them forgers and liars, hacking at basic usul of hadith is all untouchable knowledge, then there is little we can do to help them. one does not have to be an ibn hajar to recognize basic mistakes in quoting and principles of hadith or a shaTibi to see common tajweed mistakes.

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many sunnis mistakenly imagine his flamboyant style to be valuable knowledge (he himself insists that it is, as we see in this clip). all i want to demonstrate is that this shaykh is simply unreliable and any serious student of knowledge should be careful as he is doubly suspect: one for making errors frequently and two, for slanders of elders.

wa billahi't tawfiq.

 

WOW I never knew this,This website has very Top knotch Qaris and Muftis of this world.How come they hide behind a screen and are not on the world stage of Ahle Sunnat. One thing which really cheeses me is when people compare Arab Arabic and the Sub continent Arabic we know there is a difference,but explain this to me,who bought Sunniat into UK not the Arabs,Turks,Syrians,Iraqis etc etc etc,It was the Sub continent Sunni Ulema,We living in the UK are fortunate to have Sub Continent Ulema because they created a platform for people like you and me.The Sub Continent Ulema are the best,brave and knowledgable in the world.Where were the Arabs then?I can eloborate.
Now regarding Shah Sahib I challenge anyone on this site to come out bring all your Scholars and sit with Shah Sahib to correct him.
Mr Ghulam you have mentioned insults towards Syed Irfan Shah,I can upload over 100 speeches where swears abuse is thrown by him,You see if you live in a Glass house do not throw stones at others.
Jealousy is the Road to ruins.Put up or Shut up

 

Sorry brother aH.

 

They cant refute you, they will only insult you.

 

i do not wish to vindicate myself, but some people take this silence to be an admission of guilt.

the last time i critiqued shah sahib, it was on his inaccuracies in citing and analyzing a hadith from bukhari - not to mention the attack on imam bukhari himself.

the first time i critiqued him here on this forum, everyone was against me (including sherkhan) and i just chose to back off. what shah sahib said and why we critiqued it is conveniently forgotten. abu fadl is perhaps referring to that incident.

see here for a specific post and here for the entire thread.

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perhaps, this is what the great ulama, like ghazzali and ibn abd as-salaam rejected and refuted when they slammed 'blind following'. even if all the ulama of pakistan praise shah sahib, his blunders in citing bukhari won't change nor will the facts be altered. ironically, you and your friends do not take the same view of alahazrat - in spite of the fact that there is no evidence of alahazrat making such enormous blunders (i will grant that he might have made mistakes somewhere, as he is not ma'Sum, but we don't know.)

i agree with abdalqadir on shah sahib's tajwid having issues too, but given that he is old and not an arab, i think we can find an excuse for it. again, this is obvious: knowing the rules of tajwid and having the ability to use it in recitation are not the same. the recitation of shah sahib is there for everyone to see.

i will once again clarify, that i have not claimed 'command' in hadith. i am simply a student of hadith - and if someone says that something is present in a book, i look it up. if it is either not there or contrary to what the speaker says, i am inclined to believe that the person who quoted is mistaken.

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having said this, i will inshaAllah point out what i think are inaccuracies in shah sahib's speech. if i am wrong, you are welcome to refute me here.

wAllahu ta'ala a'alam.

 

you and sherkhan find too many things as jokes.. This is the vicious never ending circle..

 

MOD: wadood, i am warning you. either you learn to behave or earn a ban.

 

sorry but that has got to be a joke!

an elementary student of tajweed can find a truckload of faults with his tajweed and pronounciation. don't say that in front of a non-desi, or you will only embarrass yourself and give us a bad rep. i simply can't accept for the life of me that a top qari from pakistan or anywhere would praise his tajweed. alhamdulillah pakistan has some excellent qurraa'

his tajweed is nothing but like the typical desi commonfolk's style of singing out the Quran (in the best case scenario, with the tune of a na't) in the "khushfehmi" that it is tajweed but really doesn't have anything to do with tajweed by a long shot and non-desi tajweed teachers (both native arabs and qualified non-arabs like turks) have a real hard time correcting desi students with such style and simply put, for a person who knows REAL tajweed and appreciates it, this style is simply abhorrent, very sorry to say

 

Most of the ulema don't understand him let alone the awaam there.

When you talk about insults, what about all the ulema shah sahi insults. And Syed irfan shah gets insulted by your clique all of the time.

 

their out of place [subhan Allah]s do not completely support that claim. seriously, just the first video turned me off. the man barely starts his lecture with Quranic recitation and people say [subhan Allah] when he recites the bismillaah

i am not saying Allah shouldn't be praised, wal 'eyadhu billah, but the [subhan Allah] in such gatherings is said appraisingly of mostly the shar'iy aspect discussed or the seerah of the Prophet, upon him be peace, or other Muslim greats. his audience's [subhan Allah]s are way out of place, if one is to consider this aspect and thus don't testify to your claim.