How to know sunni from a non sunni ?

I had both possibilities in mind Sidi @abu Hasan.

I had no intention of getting involved anyway as I can't give rapid-fire answers to that member now.

Kind of have my hands full.

 

the new member is extremely stupid or is a troll who doesn't realise that we old hands in dealing with trolls. brothers are pretty naive and take things at face value, and become extra nice when someone introduces himself as a sunni.
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my recommendation for all well-meaning brothers is to keep out of this if you do not have experience in dealing with trolls.
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instead of answering AQ's questions - he ignored it and started another thread where he rants about "legitimising" sins. these are not traits of honest seekers.

 

Brother, you asked about the wahabised or salifised hanafis in the UK aka Deobandis. I've never seen those types of people celebrate mawlid in the UK although many lay people from them have no issue with it. The 'soft' deobandis probably some attend mawlid but very rare I imagine.

As far as I know about your land, it did have very harsh restrictions on dawah until quite recently but the situation is improving I think. Be patient with your people brother, I have seen many people's abandon their bad practices over time.

 

Thanks for letting us know you can read Arabic.

This is Ali Al-Qari Al-Hanafi's Sharh of Imame Azam Abu Hanifa's Fiqh Al-Akbar -
https://archive.org/details/maturidi_alfiqhulakbar_sharhalqori_DKI/page/n117/mode/1up

Tell me in your own English what you understand by this page:

 

I think the new member feels zealous because they see the lack of practice in their country.

 

You're a troll. Salam.

 

It looks.like you never studied any book with a teacher and making just random sayings and then you say Bro. What bro, it clearly mentions in several commentaties of even aqida tahawi that rawafid denied masah and to be sunni you have to accept this fiqh position.

Theoritical people have emerged many, who twist religion for their secular kufric beliefs and supporting secular kufr and hence they say not hijab is merely sin, not praying 5 days merely sin and whole life they keep.doing sin and insisting on it and then you equate this as khawarij.

You also make false statment about zakat. No one denied, they said we paid to prophet alaiho salam and we will not pay to others.

You seem to little knowledge about hanafi fiqh and aqida, so i advice you learn first before posting anything that comes to your mind and pass it as if it is sunni hanafi islam

أبو بكر : والله لأقاتلن من فرق بين الصلاة والزكاة فإن الزكاة حق المال. والله لو منعوني عقالا كانوا يؤدونه إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لقاتلتهم على منعه

No where does he say as you say and put words in the mouth

 

Bro, you're clearly not so thick on your english, but here to argue for the sake of arguing.

i didnt say hijab is not required in Islam. I said not acting on hijab (or other rules) does not negate one's Sunni status if the aqaid are right. Go back to the Sharh of Fiqh Al-Akbar and study it a bit more.

Firstly, it's masah on khuffayn, not (bare) feet.
Secondly, they denied its validity and existence in Sunnah.

You're the expert, you tell us!

You have a serious problem of putting words in people's mouths and attacking straw men.

Stopping praying is not ok. It's seriously sinful.

But it doesn't take one outside of Islam unless someone denies its obligation. Example, Ismailis who consider it optional, are kuffar.

They denied the OBLIGATION of paying zakat. They denied its existence in Islam. It's different from not paying zakat due to laziness or greed but accepting its OBLIGATION in Islam.

It is the Khawarij who say sinfulness takes one out of Islam. Go back to Fiqh Al-Akbar.

 

This is not true, saying hijab is not part or not required any longer is not sunni islam. Infsct denying quran text is clear.kufr. this is not sunni in madhhab. I think you have not read aqida books, imam abu hanifa even did not consider someone who rejects masah of foot to be sunni and imam abu hanifa did not say this is khawarij. Fiqh al akbar of imam abu hanifa is it book of fiqh or aqida or both?
Someone stops praying so this is fiqh and ok?
Then why did the calipha abu bakr declare those who did not pay zakat (fiqh issue) to be murtad and waged war on them? What khwarij you talk. People take religon to be just theory.

 

Tahirul's minhajis, habashis, and tafdilis also celebrate Mawlid, as do western devbandis when around Arabs/Turks.

Of course, but we are Sunnis, not Khawarij.

A Sunni is defined by adherence to the Ashari or Maturidi aqaid, and following the fiqh of one of the 4 mazhabs.

Non-compliance to Sunni aqaid will be nullifier of Sunniism and/or Islam, even if someone celebrates Mawlid* or wears niqab or has a fistful beard.

Non-compliance to fiqh rules won't be nullifier of Sunniism or Islam if the aqaid are compliant.

Non-observance of the Sharia and sinning like drinking or not wearing hijab are sins in deeds, but not nullifiers of Sunniism and/or Islam, in and of themselves.
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*I hate it from the bottom of my heart when I see tafdili and minhaji clowns shamelessly read Salame Raza or Ala Hazrat's naats, and then directly run their mouths against him! Talk about beghayrati! Come up with your own new & improved compositions, losers!

 

In our region, we celebrate milod but also don't wear hijab and also drink, so milod can't be the only quantifier for sunni or non sunni.

Sunni must be observant of shariot, cannot be without hijab and drink or have no beard or short beard. This is not hanafi sunnah.

 

In the UK

Long answer: Ask their view on matters such as knowledge of the unseen of rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم and seeking his intercession.

Short answer: Do they celebrate mawlid? I've never met a sunni anywhere in the world that didn't celebrate mawlid nabi but the non sunni will certainly criticise the practice at the very least.

 

In Fiqh you can be 99% Hanafi n be 100% Wahhabi. I was one such person. I went through three sects without changing how i perform Salah or other matter related to Fiqh.

Don't judge Sunnism based on school of Fiqh followed by a person. Judge Aqeedah.

 

https://www.dawateislami.net/bookslibrary/
Tap the Orange language filter icon & select Russian

 

Where can i find it and i need some hanafi literature in Russian.

 

Please read the brief yet impactful treatise by Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Rida Khan titled Umur-e-Ishrin dar Imtiyaz-e-Aqaid-e-Sunniyyin.

It has been translated into English by Muhammad Kalim and published by TheSunniWay (UK) under the title:
Parameters of Salvation – Twenty Points to Discern a Sunni.

This concise work serves as a clear and universal guide to distinguish between a true Sunni and a false claimant.

 

Of course akram nadwi is a jahil mutlaq, be it by Islamic hadith or fiqh, or by western philosophies, but one popular misplaced support of secularism by Muslim laypersons and "scholars" alike is that Islam's laws of ahlul dhimmah are somehow supposedly "pluralistic and secular" based on the fact that the lives and properties of ahlul dhimmah are protected, and that they can practice their religions and have leeway to implement their religious laws in their internal dealings, in a Muslim governance.

Like you said, for secularism support, a hukm can't be applied without tahqiq on the speaker and what exactly he's talking about.

Case in point - in the present hindu rashtra many Muslim laypeople or intellectuals are calling for secularism entailed in the constitution or gandhian philosophy and so on, it is not to deem it superior or a substitute of the Sharia, but rather to downgrade the evil of the bjp to something less harmful to Muslims.

 

I believe, brother that few things need to be made clear first;

Anyone, whether barelwi or not, who believes in Perennialism is a Kāfir.

Now Preferring Secularism over the Deen of Allah is also kufr but practically speaking, unlike Perennialism we cannot immediately apply a hukm upon someone who supports secularism.

The individual's sentence may carry Various Interpretations which are not kufr like;

"I support Secularism over Theocracy"
"I believe Khilafah won't return untill Al Mahdi and Secularism is the lesser evil for Muslims in the west"
Or maybe he does not even understand what secularism is & how it contradicts Islam.

If the person seems like a potential fraud, you can interrogate him & seek clarifications.

In other occasions you can just hold a good opinion of him if his statement can be interpreted & is not explicit.

A balance between Fake, Self-deceptive Husn ul Dhan & Excessive Wariness/Suspicion is the way

 

you have encountered deobandis - who follows hanafi fiqh, but is heavily wahhabized.

the true ahlu's sunnah are those who follow imam ahmad rida khan al-maturidi al-baraylawi. i am sure you will find them just like you.