How to refute a modernist and his fallacies?

Discussion in 'Refutation' started by maraqialFalah, Feb 23, 2010.

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  1. If I were in your position, I would avoid the Suhbah of these people.
     
  2. chisti-raza

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  3. Brother I have read your posts and will try to formulate a response later this evening after work insha Allah to some of these common modernist arguments
     
  4. Dear brothers in Ahl`e Sunnat, it is time what we Ahl`e Sunnat raise the banner of haqq! So, please...help me in responding to these statements that are outright heresy and deviance, inshAllah
     
  5. Also, another comment I remembered from my discussion with these mulhid modernist fussaq is that they said (wa `iyadhbillah):

     
  6. could a brother help me in responding to these accusations?
     
  7. another of these mulhid fussaq asked me to research on the following:

    1) The mother and if the mother says no to something that is sunnah, should she be followed? (the mulhid fasiq gave the example of the "beard" which is wajib as per the Hanafi fiqh)

    there was several other issues that this mulhid fasiq modernist asked me but i can't remember.

    also, the mulhid fussaq modernists ask me:

    astaghfirullah thumma al-astaghfirullah
     
  8. As-Salamu `alaykum:

    I have had discussions with modernists upon many issues, in which I have been insulted by these modernists (who claim to be "Muslim") and they have many corrupt beliefs which I can identify but it's hard to refute. They call me "extreme" and "narrow-minded" and tell me to become more open minded. I've also been called a hypocrite by these khabees fussaq people.

    They have many un-Islamic questions that they ask me and many things that I hear from them (and many of them are in fact kufr), I know to be un-Islamic but they always stump me when I try to refute them.

    They asked me many questions such as:

    Astaghfirullah thumma al-astaghfirullah

    In addition, these modernists hold the belief that the five daily prayers are not wajib and they say (wa `iyadhbillah) that it isn't in the Qur`an(which I know to be kufr--astaghfriullah thumma al-astaghfirullah) and some of these khabees fussaq hold that alcohol is permissible for consumption (wa `iyadhbillah). Also, they insult the Prophet alayhi salatu wa salam by making the following blasphemious claim (wa `iyadhbillah)

    These modernist fussaq also make the claim that the Salah should be recited in the language of the people and that the Qur`an should always be read with translation. When I said that I eat all Halal/Zabiha (alhamduliLLah), they responded by saying "Ah it is only meat" (wa `iyadhbillah).

    These mulhid modernist fussaq also claim that to follow anyone other than Allah (and following the Qur`an) is shirk (wa `iyadhbillah) and when I gave him the ayah: "ya ayyuhal aladhina amanu ateeAAoo Allaha waateeAAoo alrrasoola waolee al-amri minkum", he said that why didn't it specify which Messenger (alayhi salam), wa `iyadhbillah. I also gave many other surah, aHadith, etc. such as "fasalahu ahl al-dhikr in kuntum la ta`alamun", etc.

    Another mulhid fasiq modernist made a claim about how religions were all founded by men to explain phenomenons in the world (wa `iyadhbillah)

    In addition, another claim they make is that the beard is only there because it was a practice of the Arabs (wa `iyadhbillah) and it was personal preference (astaghfirullah).

    Another claim these modernist fussaq make is that following the Sunnah doesn't make you better than anyone else (wa `iyadhbillah).

    They have also said the following blasphemy against the Messenger sal Allahu alayhi wa alihi wa salim:

    wa `iyadhbillah

    They have also insulted many `ulema such as Hazrat Allama Sayyid Turab ul-Haq Qadri damat barakatahum ul aalia and have called me "a talk Muslim" (and may Allah curse the mulhidin and the fussaq)

    These mulhid modernist fussaq are involved in drugs, alcohol, and many other haram acts.

    How do I respond to these and other claims that they might make? How could I learn mantiq and munazara to help me, especially since I don't know the jargon of `ilm al-mantiq and `ilm al-munazara and I can't understand Arabic texts ? Also, how do I respond to their personal attacks?

    jazakamullah khayran.
     

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