Humour: a friend forwarded me this...:D

Discussion in 'Smalltalk' started by abu Hasan, Dec 23, 2007.

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what a hollow comment! and how many fallacies can you count in this statement?

    alaHazrat's poetry is not mere poetry: it is full of references from the qur'an and sunnah. as someone put it in an unguarded moment: it makes the soul to coruscate.

    as for ishq - is there any replacement? don't all roads lead to this path? if your short-sighted external knowledge gains proper sight, and then an insight, you will see that it is maHabbah that the sufis talk about as their ultimate goal.
    ay ishq terey sadqey, jalney sey chuTTey sastey
    jo aag bujha deygi, woh aag lagaa di hai

    o love, in your lieu - we are freed for less from fire
    ye set a spark sinew - to douse the fiery fire

    and one with that kind ishq will not go astray. it is this ishq which bestows knowledge that no other source can grant. in fact, it is this source which makes one to differentiate between the knowledge of animals and prophets.

    also for any of you planning to comment on the 'argument' in this thread: for goodness' sake! it is at least 7 months old.
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  2. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    What is troubling is that sidi asif who engages in translating imam ahmad rida's poetry and dives deeply into it is still confused.

    It shows that poetry and ishq is not the panacea of the ummah and that
    the barelwis need other sources of intelletual nourishment-

    Barelwi Mosques take note
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    we agree with such dismays
    but wonder at long delays
    of replies and firm assays
    arriving in holidays
    for disputes and ayes and nays
    forgotten for 200 days

    have a nice eyd: eyd mubarak.

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  4. mkahn133

    mkahn133 New Member

    shall we argue and fight on 'Id of all days ?
    Oh, by Allah, when shall we change our ways ?
  5. sidi if i found them repugnant i wouldn't have posted them? one of them i found slightly audacious (about the dates--and that only cos of the word Madina).
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    indeed there is not. but i thought you understood figures of speech.

    for all the lofty statements you use in your defence, you are still adamant that there is nothing wrong with those cheap lines and there is no indication that you find them repugnant.
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  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    they have disrespected the dear prophet sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam by making jokes that involve islamic practices and also by mentioning the dates of madinah tayyibah [may Allah increase its excellence] in the same line as dating and doing zina.

    the girls in the tight tops for a start
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  8. what's stopping the brothers from lowering their gazes? why blame only the girls?
    sidi, i cannot speak for others but i would bet [metaphorically speaking!]
    that not even the most liberal muslim would jump from making silly jokes about dating muslim girls to disrespecting the Holy One صلى الله عليه وسلم There is a world of difference between the two and they don't logically follow from each other.

  9. "If I am as you say, may Allah forgive me; if I am not as you say, may Allah forgive you." -- Imam Zayn al Abidin :as:

    "Judge not, lest ye be judged"--Hazrat Isa :as:

    "Find 70 excuses for your brother..." Our Aaqa صلى الله عليه وسلم
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    i don't know for sure but you can bet your bottom dollar [if you were a kafir who agrees with betting] that the idiot who wrote this is like the idiot who wrote the other article you posted a few weeks about the muslim at the airport. i bet they're secular people who have no particular regard for islam. they may have muslim names but that's about it. ther're all at western style universities and look down on the servants of muSTafa jaane raHmat sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam as if we're backward and not modern enough.

    a saHabi once went to a feast organised by some "important" man. whilst eating, a morsel of food fell to the floor and the saHabi picked up the morsel, cleaned it, and then ate it. the people told him that this is not respectful to his host and is not befitting. the saHabi said, "shall i leave the sunnah of my beloved sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam for these fools [humaqa]?"

    conversely, these westernised dimwits feel they have to "blend in" and lose the islamic way of life. if i don't go out with a girl until i'm 16, people will think there's something wrong with me. oh no! my parents may be muslims but who cares, i'm going to use some "pick-up" lines.

    they don't like the fact that islam prohibits zina; hence, they try to make a joke of it. what they're really trying to do is make zina look like something that's not such a bad sin. they're trying to islamicise it and this is why they have "tried" to use islamic terms in their piece of rubbish. they are slaves of the kuffar and nothing but.

    the standard of their islamic knowledge is negligible thus causing them to disregard islamic practices and the rights due to the messenger of Allah jalla wa 'ala wa sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam.

    the writer has disrespected the dates of the city of my master sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam. i wonder what a mufti would decree for this imbecile. he has also made a laughing stock of the daily prayers: a man is not allowed to pray next to a woman but this idiot talks about praying feet to feet with his girlfriend. the nincompoop.

    there is another trend amongst young muslim girls that they wear the hijab along with their tight tops and jeans. this makes the "brothers" think funny things. i get the feeling this piece of garbage is written by one of these "brothers" who want to look and sound all islamic which somehow gives them the delusion that one is allowed to use such language with a sister.

    if we eased up and had a laugh together, what's stopping people talking about the prophet sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam in a similar way? what if someone talks about the saHaba like this and makes fun of their practices?

    i feel sorry for such people and all the other cronies. they are clearly lost and need psychiatric help pronto. may Allah deal with them as they deserve to be dealt with.

    we all claim to love alaHazrat, i ask again: what would my master radiyAllahu ta'ala anhu say about the blockhead who composed this junk?

    that's my two cents worth. if i have offended anyone, tough! the sad excuse for a man who wrote this has offended me, my beautiful islam and my beautiful prophet 'alaihis salatu wassalam.
  11. thank you brother for giving me your good deeds. :)
  12. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    I told everybody earlier Sidi Asif is confused. What Sidi Asif posted was utter trash, no over reacting. He posted utter trash earlier as well "the joke on the three maulvis".

    What about respect for Islam? Isn't respect for Islam, respect for Nabiyyana?
  13. Sidi AH! PUHLEASE. This is nothing to do with the despicable Danish cartoons. No where is Huzoor Pak disrespected in these lines. Astaghfirullah.
  14. calltoallah

    calltoallah Active Member

    my dear brothers, i cannot believe we're having this discussion. after reading some of those lines...nastaghfiruka wa natubu ilayk ya Rabb.

    i think we all need to reflect on our relationship with Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and His beloved Prophet, Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. If one cannot see the blatant disregard of shariah, and the person of sayyiduna Mustafa sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, then he/she ought to make a serious commitment to sit at the feet of an 'Alim and seek the sacred knowledge. This is how low we've fallen, and this is my sincere advice to all.

    I am extremely disturbed by these lines and will request the mods to please remove those lines.

    Allahuma `allimna ma yanfa`una wanfa`na bima `allamtana, innaka antal-`Aleem ul-Hakeem.
  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what else do you expect on an islamic forum? cheering the danish cartoons?

    get to know your deen - and the Hadith: 'a muslim does not utter vulgarities nor is vulgar' aw kama qaal `alayhis salatu wa's salam.

    i find asif's comments unbelievable.

    ye misl sach hai ke ho jaata hai suHbat ka asar
    aadmi kya! dar O deewar badal jaatey haiN!
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  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    again, you say "all they are". is it a small thing?

    a man once came to rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam and said i want your permission to commit zina. rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam said what if someone wanted to commit zina with your sister? "i would kill him". rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam said the one you want to do zina with is someones sister/mother/daughter too. thereafter, there was nothing more despicable to him than zina.

    it is not a joke to talk about zina like this. the chat up lines you talk about are aimed at our sisters.

    also, did you read ash-shifa about unintentional disrespect?

    "do you want a date? i bought them from madinah". i think this is disrespectful to the dates of the city of my master 'alaihis salam that the dates of his city have been used in a pun/joke that glorifies zina.

    what would alaHazrat say to such things?
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  17. Dont you think some of you brothers might be guilty of the charge of over-reacting?
  18. i can see we brothers we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one! sidi aH thanks but I do know what a pick up line is! I honestly reckon most young Muslim girls grown in the West would find many of these lines to be a compliment and not offensive. All they are really are witty ways of saying, 'I think you're very good looking would you like to go out/to bed with me?'
    Yes, I agree, dating in Islam is not permitted so from THAT angle you can object but I don't think the actual contents of the statements themselves are at all offensive.
  19. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    brother asif, a couple of days before i have received this joke on my university friends' group on yahoo, and i had the same feelings as aH and aqdas have expressed. I complained about it and nobody disagreed. some pure vulgar lines are not present in your post, aH may have omitted them, but still this stuff is all insulting, vulgar, and a mockery of the religion.

    brother think again, and with cool head.
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2007
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    now you've seen it

    Someone has tried to do a contentions type piece and have failed miserably. As aH said, if I was still 15 and at school, I may have laughed but these “jokes” are offensive to a Muslim. Simple as that. These are what I found particularly offensive. Read what I posted from ash-shifa about insulting without intent.


    I’m not going to explain why each of these are offensive. They are all unislamic. Hence, all muslims should be offended.

    as if that's can be called an "only". it's a massive offense in islam. and it's not the only unislamic thing. scroll up to the ones i found particularly offensive. they are all unislamic even if it was allowed to chat up girls.
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