This is a lecture on evil innovation among sufi orders that a brother posted in another thread: Among other things, sh. Asrar mentioned sajdah ta'zeemi to pirs (and he insisted that this actually still happens and is not a thing of the past) - he said that it is among the munkaraat, an action positively prohibited by the shari'ah and sufi orders should fight against it and exert themselves to uproot this evil practice. I agree totally. But now my question is, the exact same fatwa of Mufti e Azam, that is universally cited to give a free pass to qawwali, saying "Mufti e Azam ne tafseeq nahi ki hai" - "baaz mashaykh ke ikhtilaaf ke pesh-e-nazar" - that very fatwa - infact the very same line - also states the exact same 'uzr for not doing tafseeq of those who indulge in sajdah ta'zeemi! By the same token people should also speak out against qawwali and ask sufis to remove it from their midst. Why do people selectively pick qawwali and pretend that the other action is not present? People speak as if Mufti Azam (raHimahu Allah), in his entire career, said nothing more than those few words about qawwali. The entire force of his and his noble ancestors' unambiguous censure of the practice of sama' by the unqualified masses is shoved under the carpet - and people are given the impression that Mufti-e-Azam was a intact a champion of those who indulged in qawwali! I am amazed at how people will pick and choose to prove their point (and by this I mean sunnis). Instead of interpreting the fatwa in the light of the clear fataawa of his illustrious father - people bend over backwards and try to dismiss the tens of fatwaa of Alahazrat for a few words in this one fatwa of his son. This is the same mechanism by which anything under the sun can be "proven" to be correct. Alahazrat has written in very clear terms that those who indulge in it are sinners. The correct method would be to interpret the fatwa to confirm to those of Alahazrat. And I have seen one such commendable effort by Mufti Haydar Ali Qadri sahib in these two booklets: Kashf-e-Ahwaal, Saif-e-Lazawaal There are several old posts where mufti azam's fatwa has been referred to as THE final word on the matter. He did not do tafseeq - period. Let the dhun dhun continue ... Whereas, dhun dhun is far worse than rimjhimrimjhim May Allah ta'ala open our hearts to His Truth. Allah knows best.