influence of muslim mutakallimun on yahood & nasara

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the troll becomes tired when we stop feeding it.
     
  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    we should not entertain this troll any further and kick him out.
     
  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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  4. Abu Lina Bukhari

    Abu Lina Bukhari New Member

    Some of the posters here have too much anger and hate like abu hasan and abdalqadir. It is shame that you call yourself hanafi and sonni muslim and show same habits of wahhabize salafize. And very good at insults. I came to exchange some fiqh masaail but looking at the ignorance and self declared ulama shows how jahil some are here. One guy wanted others to fast arafah day of makkah and his local, and he pulled this from some abu hasan and who pulled from his pocket.

    Go study jassas abu layth samarkandi and other main codifiers of hanafi fiqh before you show your ignorance from Matoridy

    As for calling my posts stupid you abu hasan and abdalqadir are just angry kids trying to show you have knowledge but are really empty vessels make lots of noise.
     
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    who?

    who did this and when? give examples.

    self-awareness is a great thing. look within before you look around.

    perhaps some of us knew this even before you were born. do not assume things. it is not a good habit.

    it is rich coming from an ignoramus (jahil) or a dense person like you who is unable to comprehend a simple concept from fiqh al-akbar. almost all of your posts are useless and utterly stupid. chatgpt makes more sense.

    it is possible that some of us might have seen this before you were born. because you write like a teenager.

    certainly, after you answer AQ's query about the passage from fiqh al-akbar.
     
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  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I asked you for explaining passage from Fiqh Al-Akbar (you brought it up) on the other thread, and you're drifting all over the forum.
     
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  8. Abu Lina Bukhari

    Abu Lina Bukhari New Member

    it is ok, i am also not interested in you, you twist and give false and wrong information about sunni islam or you dont know but post as if you know. Sunni Islam not limited to only Shahada or theoritical islam, or label anyone disagree to be khwarij. this sign of ignorant people. who have little info about islam and they write like they know everything. may be you are the UK type hanafi which are known as deobandi wahhabized salafized.

    Hanfi and Moturudiy or written in english Maturidi Kalam is not limited to One man or one city. It is a whole system developed mostly by scholars of our land. Some people make Hanfi and Moturudiy from India or Pakistan only.
     
  9. Abu Lina Bukhari

    Abu Lina Bukhari New Member

    yes we have read this in our madrasa abu bakr and doing notes , We have also read kitab Tauhid of Imam Moturudiy
    if you have problem understanding with passages, I can help you and explain it you, as it seems most here on the forum have not really had complete study of hanafi or maturidi kalam.

    There are few editions online like this one
    https://www.quranicthought.com/ar/books/دلالة-الحائرين-موسى-بن-ميمون-ط-مكتبة-ا/

    but i recommend you the one with the notes of great Hanafi Moturudiy Imam from Turkey, Imam Zahid Kawthari


    المقدمات الخمس و العشرون في إثبات وجود الله و وحدانيته و تنزهه من أن يكون جسما أو قوة في جسم ; من دلالة الحائرين / ; تأليف أبي عمران موسى بن ميمون ؛ شرح أبي عبد الله محمد بن أبي بكر بن محمدلتبريزي ؛ صحح الكتاب و قدم له محمد زاهد الكوثري

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    Title
    al- Muqaddimāt al-khams wa-al-ʻishrūn fī ithbāt wujūd Allāh wa-waḥdānīyatihi wa-tanazzuhihi min ʼan yakūna jisman aw quwwatan fī jism min dalālat ʼal-ḥāʼirīn

    Author
    Ibn Maymūn, Mūsá, 1135-1204, author.; Tabrīzī, Muḥammad ibn Abī Bakr, active 13th century, compiler.; Tabrīzī, Muḥammad ibn Abī Bakr, active 13th century, compiler.; Kawtharī, Muḥammad Zāhid ibn al-Ḥasan, corrector.; Kawtharī, Muḥammad Zāhid ibn al-Ḥasan, corrector.; Kawtharī, Muḥammad Zāhid ibn al-Ḥasan, author of introduction.; Kawtharī, Muḥammad Zāhid ibn al-Ḥasan, author of introduction.

    Place of publication
    Miṣr

    Publisher
    Maṭba‘at al-Sa‘ādah

    Doctrines, Jewish philosophy, Judaism, Philosophy, Medieval
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    have you?
     
  12. Abu Lina Bukhari

    Abu Lina Bukhari New Member

  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    https://www.academia.edu/6173811/Je...ctual_History_of_the_Islamicate_World_2_2014_

    interesting paper on yahood and nasara theologians being influenced by our Muslim mutakallimun (as well as some mutazilites) - by their own academicians

    only quickly browsed, but this paper seems to (rightly) take the opposite position of ibn taymiyyah and the wahhabiyah, who accuse us of being influenced by greek philosophy and the arguments of the ahlul kitab
     

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