Inqilab From Bullet Proof Bomb Proof Cabin - Dr Tahir ul Qadri

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  1. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

  2. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    someone suggested this clip:

    don't know lucman or his persuasion, but he asks a few hard questions; his opening question is classic cornering. but tahir is tahir

    tahir also makes a few blow hot blow cold statements, but his "me, mine and myself" is a well-rehearsed theme. but tahir has bested his brags himself i suppose:

    "i am a person with such a courage, that on this earth one or two (khal khal) might have been born"

    maiN, Allah ka shukr hai, us hausle ka Haamil huN ke is dharti par, khal khal koyi us hausle wala payda huwa hoga.

    @7.55 but don't miss the interviewer's good question at 7.40

    he keeps saying: "i don't want them to lose their strength. i want to keep them fresh for the final showdown, and they have their energies conserved.."

    tahir is not reading the right comics; he should at least read tintin. the grand leader with the a grand plan, everything worked out and boom he will fix it. the wise leader - superman, who has all the answers.

    became inquisitive; and after a little dig, a similar interview from last year, same setting - same topi, same lamp - same grandiloquent boasting:
  4. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    murtad padri is worse than open disbelievers.

    brother Abdal Qadir already gave a succinct list of padri's riddah.

    if you want to know more about his infidelity and devilish acts, read "Qahr ud-Dayyaan a'la minhaaj ish-Shaytaan"

    in English

    In Urdu

    even a kid will have no doubt about padri's kufr
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    actually there are a couple of bones of contention, all of which are sareeh kufr and tahir himself has left zero room for tawil

    1- calling nonMuslims as believers (and consequently hingting towards their salvation).

    this cannot be undone without a public denunciation and tawba and then re-entering Islam publicly. saying there is no salvation without believing in Huzoor Paak, sallAllahu 3alaihi wa sallam, any n number of times is of no benefit here. the rulings of apostasy are clear. for sareeh kufr, even if a person repeats the shahadah out of habit or behaves and acts like Muslims like praying, fasting etc. the apostasy can only be undone by retracting from the kufr, denouncing it, and re-stating the shahadah with the declared intention of re-entering Islam. without that, even if he says a million times that there is no salvation without believing in Huzoor Paak, but he just said ONCE that christians are believers, it is deemed apostasy. the books of fiqh are clear on this. so much for your "research scholarship"!

    2- praising the aimmatul kufr and saying that he is honored to be next to them - this is open and sareeh apostasy (calling the leaders of the hindus and sikhs and buddhists as "great")

    3- praising the idols of the mushrikeen - and their evil religions (the "awakening" of the buddha, the "love" of krishna, and the "optimism" of the sikhs) another open and sareeh apostasy. the Quran says that these are just names that these kafirs and their forefathers dreamt up. i don't know what exactly he refers to by the "optimism" of the sikhs, perhaps their hatred for Muslims and their hope to do ethnic cleansing of Muslims from the subcontinent

    that's TWO acts of apostasy - 3a) praising their idols 3b) praising their religions

    4- stating that christian and jewish faiths (as known today) came from Ibrahim 3alaihis salam - thereby attributing him with falsehood and kufr. the Quran says VERY EXPLICITLY that Ibrahim was NOT a christian or a jew but rather a Haneef Muslim

    5- calling the books of the kuffar as sacred and praising them by saying he will take lyrics and mantras from them etc.

    6-asking the kuffar and mushrikeen to call on their false gods 'according to their religion & tradition'

    7- finally, saying that calling the mushrikeen to Masjid-e-Nabawi and asking them to pray according to their traditions is a Sunnah of the Prophet, 3alaihis salam. a major buhtan towards the Prophet, 3alaihis salam, which no REAL Syed will consider worth ignoring. REAL Syeds follow the legacy of Imam Husain, radi Allahu 3anhu, who did not even take bay3at with a zalim and drunk yazeed, much less being an open murtad's groupie fanboy

    that's 8 separate acts of sareeh and open apostasy leaving zero room for tawil in most of them, not counting his christmas celebrations, and wearing the popes hat, and other such acts - kufr murakkab

    it is not enough to just join the congregation of salah like Muslims to eradicate these or to say like Muslims that believing in Huzoor Paak is necessary for salvation. to be considered Muslim requires equally as sareeh denunciation of all such acts, repentance, and re-entering of Islam by taking the shahadah. even a Muslim child studying basic taharah and ahkam of namaz will know this, much less a "research scholar"

    but people with no shame or zameer like you and your father and your peer will look the other way and whistle, and when someone says something to expose your hypocrisy, will throw a pathetic guilt trip based on straw men.

    if anyone is behaving like yazeed and his criminal thugs right now for whom groupieism is more important than haq, it is the groupie fan clubs of tahir, which includes your jahil peer and his jahil groupie fanboys like you and your father
  6. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    I think, the bone of contention here is about considering non-Muslims as believers hence salvation. I was just addressing that point.
    and you and your abba jaan can continue defending the umayyad legacy

    last part....dar jawab e aan ghazal!
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    so why don't you support yazid paleed and the assorted criminals who took the lives of ahl e bayt? where did they disbelieve in huzur paak sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam?

    the same with wahabiyah and dayabina - why don't you and your father sing praises of wahabis and devbandis? they too say that there is no salvation without believing in huzuur paak sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.
  8. sunnimuslim

    sunnimuslim Active Member

    Brother protect your self from Dr.Tahirs fitna. He is mad.
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    he also said the following at the wembley conference:

    but people with dead souls and blind hearts - like you nawazuddin and your father and your peer - cannot see it
  10. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    and he has also said "you can pray to any God"...
  11. sunnimuslim

    sunnimuslim Active Member

    Brother he is the son of Sahibzada Fazal Karim marhom Sahib.
  12. sunnimuslim

    sunnimuslim Active Member

    Yes it is politics. We respect Sahibzada sahib because he is a Sunni and a patriotic Pakistani.
  13. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    Dr Tahir al-Qadri said in Birmingham conference that there is no salvation without believing in Huzur Paak(sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam). I heard it myself in person.

    MOD: don't shorten the durud sharif. you waste hours arguing against established sunni maslak, but don't have the time to write durud in full.
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 25, 2014
  14. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    That's politics, not deen.

    in any case, whoever supports Padri, even for politics, is wasting HIS OWN DEEN, by allying with a murtad.

    it does not matter if the name has sahibzadah or peerzadah or raza attached to it.

    going against Nawaz shareef's government can be done even without going to bed with Padri.
  15. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Whose Sahibzada is Hamid Raza?
  16. sunnimuslim

    sunnimuslim Active Member

    You are absolutely correct brother Wadood. Pakistani nation supports Pakistan army but not the so called government of Nawaz Sharif.
  17. sunnimuslim

    sunnimuslim Active Member

    You should ask Sahibzada Hamid Raza Sahib why they are supporting Tahir ul padri. They want to get rid of this present government.
  18. Farooq

    Farooq New Member

    Stop spreading lies and rumors! No where has any Sunni Alim supported Tahir Padri

    Even if Shah Sahib said that it is was wrong to attack innocent people doesn't mean he supports Padri
  19. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    in Pakistan the military is considered separate to the government.

    when he says "state terrorists" , he means PML-N and not the military or other non-PML-N government officials

    But I believe PML-N are acting like terrorists in the country as their previous counterparts PPP
  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    khwaboN ki baarat.

    those who are impatient to know about khwabs: jump to page 63 of the book (PDF pg.33)

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