Irfan Shah answers the Bareilly fatwa

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Part 2 of Mufti Zahid Jalali's reply to Irfan Shah's answer to the Bareilly fatwa.

     
  2. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  3. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Mufti Zahid Jalali is the teacher of Mufti Shahid Imran Jalali. It is Mufti Shahid Imran Jalali who have been sent to prison on behest of Zafar Qoumi's group to avoid an embarrassing defeat in their upcoming debate. The latest video is from Mufti Shahid Imran's brother.
     
  4. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Yes, your right! The younger brother has been arrested
     
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.



    Apparently some zafar qumi guy took some munazra defeat to heart!
     
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I believe this is Zahid Jalali sahab, not Shahid Imran sahab.
     
  7. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Apparently Mufti Shahid Imran Jalali Sahib has been sent to jail soon after he released a video response to Irfan Shah's answers to the Bareilly fatwa video.



    This was part 1 of his refutation of Irfan Shah's video.


    The rafizis must have paid a lot of money to the police to get him arrested!
     
  8. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

     
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Towards the end of the video, he mentions jo log Nabi sal Allahu 3alaihi wa sallam ki shaan mein takhfeef ka soch rahe hain...

    For a guy who's irked by supposedly false/incoherent accusations and/or fatawa that he's set out to refute, he sure is very generous with straw men and red herrings!
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    between 48:00 until the end, he employs sleight of hand - once again beating the dead horse that the other side has done GUSTAKHI of Sayyidah and that they are irked by her radi Allahu 3anha's honorable mention and he's standing guard against this GUSTAKHI. he should be ashamed of himself for using such underhanded tactics. he's employing classic deobandi tactics.

    first prove gustakhi. he has done nothing about proving gustakhi yet, other than utter gaalis.

    and i don't know/remember what i missed in this year long scuffle but why is he conflating Bareilly fatwa against himself with the Bareilly-Ashrafi-Misbahi-Mubarakpur headaches? what's the point mixing all that up here unless there was a joint Bareilly-Mubarakpur statement or fatwa against him? it seems his aim is just to spread FUD and hurt the Ahlus Sunnah as much as possible and spread his pseudo-rafziyat

    no one should be blackmailed by his high and mighty claims that he's going to prove his point from the works of Ala Hazrat or other Sunni shuyukh. that's his way of attempting to be ismail dehlvi 2.0
     
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  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    but he's a smart-peer
     
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    One thing Shah sahib might be forgetting: he too passed fatwas of kufr.

    E.g. whoever says Fatimah رضي اللہ عنھا did khata has committed kufr.

    That was in his speech at Data darbar.
     
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  13. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    i ask irfan mashadi why he didn't use
    *sharh fiqh al-akbar
    * sharh al-mawaqif
    * sharh al-maqasid
    * sharh al-aqa`id
    * hashiya nibras
    * khayali


    why did he run to maktubat imam rabbani quddisa sirruhu? and even that, he quoted 3-4 lines decontextualized. does he not remember the usul mentioned in jaa' al-haq that there is no taqlid in aqida?
     
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  14. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    This jawab is totally behooda. i was telling a mawlana friend of mine `irfan is starting to sound like qasim nanotvi when he discusses juzwi fazilat for ghayr anbiya (see the portion where he misquotes maktubat)

    Qasim Nanotvi said: "Prophets are superior to their followers only in knowledge, but in good deeds, followers sometimes seem equal and occasionally even become superior to them."
    Ref:
    Qasim Nanotvi, Book 'Tahzeerannas, page 5, published in Maktaba Fayz Nazd Jami Masjid, Deoband and also published from Kutub Khana Qasimi, Deoband publication.
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  15. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Just the other 20 left and just having a brief perusal of the defense, I think Mufti Zahid Jalali might pick some holes in it.

    It's easy to release videos but what would be more beneficial is actually sitting with the ulema and clarifying.
     
  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    He answers point 21

     

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