Irfan Shah on 80 lashes for tafdili

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  1. Mohammed Nawaz

    Mohammed Nawaz Corrections are always welcomed with appreciation

  2. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    Another old response to molvi zahid husain shah rizvi:

     
  3. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran





    Irfan Shah's old taqareer on this subject
     
  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Mufti Zahid Jalali says the narration of 80 lashes is sahih yet Irfan Shah said it has jarh.

     
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  5. Mohammed Nawaz

    Mohammed Nawaz Corrections are always welcomed with appreciation

  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

     
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  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I have repeatedly asked the entire Irfan Shah clique to answer a simple question. I even went onto their pages and tagged them. They even reply but avoid the actual question...

    'If a person elevates Mawla Ali above Abu Bakr Siddiq in the absolute sense, is he Sunni?'

    I hope everyone can see that they're so far gone that they refuse to answer questions even if they pertain to daruriyyat, necessities of Ahl al-Sunnah.
     
  8. Zafars

    Zafars New Member

    It is now damn clear ghair rafadein aka rafidha are actually Persian ghair muqallid.Both have created their own madhab one salaf which has no connection with salaf,another jafariya which has no connection with Jafar bin Sadiq(as) who was islam/sunnah:- Screenshot_2022-08-29-16-05-05-26.png Screenshot_2022-08-29-16-05-26-90.png Screenshot_2022-08-29-16-05-26-90.png Screenshot_2022-08-29-16-05-05-26.png Screenshot_2022-08-29-16-05-26-90.png Screenshot_2022-08-29-16-05-34-81.png Screenshot_2022-08-29-16-05-44-55.png
     
  9. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    he is a pakka rafDi, listen until 2:13 and also watch his facial expressions, only a rafzi can level such a blame on ahle sunnat that "tum pandarhwen sadi main paida ho kar sirf yeh qawl naql kartay rehtay ho kay who apnay pehlon ko baDa mantay hain, oay pandra sadiyon main Ali kay baad koi Ali kay jaisa hay? TO PHIR SEEDHAY MARO, TUM BHI TO ALI KI AFZALIYAT KO TASLEEM KARO UMMAT PAR....JO UMMAT ALI KAY SAATH KAR RAHI HAY WOH NAHI KARNA CHAHIAY".

    this is a pure shia statement.
     
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  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Listened again. From 2h5m is very dangerous talk. It is rifd. Clear suggestion that Mawla Ali رضي الله عنه only said it out of modesty.
     
  11. Sunni Jaag

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  12. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    And by this he has degraded all of the Sahabah as if he is saying that their ijma doesn't matter to him at all! This is the second time he said in a video the same thing that he only accepts it coz Hazrat Ali (ra) said so.

    For those who aren't aware of the past these are the very same traits of the other rafizi PAQ of Walthamstow who used to beat his chest claiming that he is the biggest sunni out of all. Very soon we shall see these two rafizi brothers hugging one another!
     
  13. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Irfan Shah said in this speech, I believe Abu Bakr superior only because of Ali رضي الله عنهما.

     
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    you must read alahazrat's letter to asharrfiyli thanawi in ab'has e akhirah.

    it is one of the classiest letters in urdu, which can be rightfully termed a literary classic; it is far more eloquent and richer in expression than ghalib in his urdu e mu'alla.

    http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/abhas-e-akheerah-az-alahazrat.3854/


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  15. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    just an example

     
  16. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I don't see that it is an issue, this aap janab is not to respect a deviant, rather it is the manner that any educated person, whether an alim or not, should demonstrate. also, referring a deviant with the prefix of peer is not to accept him as a peer, but to address him with well know title the guy is usually referred to. see my post, do you think that I consider them real peers?

    the titles don't mean anything, if someone is disrespectful to the companions raDiyAllahu anhum then common sunni people will recognize him as a mubtadiy'.

    again this is not respect, but a hard slap in their face. and why you cannot accept a proper refutation until the alim/mufti does not declare the addressee an agent etc, he might have done that somewhere else, and it is not necessary as long as the alim has properly refuted the mubtadiy'. did ala hazrat alihi rahmah refute like that while addressing an individual deviant?
     
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  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i might get flamed for this, but despite some of them saying the correct things, i don't get it with all these mufti sahiban addressing this closet rafidi irfan beghayrat as "peer" and "aap" and "janab" and all that.

    just what will it take for us to call an ex-Sunni tafdili or rafidi as a tafdili or rafidi and treat him accordingly?

    we're not doing ourselves or the awam any favors by this attitude. by all these appellations and alqabat, the awam can think perhaps this guy is a Sunni and these are internal disagreements within Sunnis.

    perhaps these muftis think that they can convince him to do tauba by such attitude, but i digress there too, this guy's taking the Ahlus Sunnah for granted and he needs to be taken to task. this aap-janab stuff could have been fine only in the early days of his exposing himself as a jahil peer, but certainly not now.

    "aap saare dars bhool chuke hain" is not good enough for me. i wish to hear "yeh rafziyon ka agent hai", not from commentators like us, but from the kind of muftis shown in the video below
     
  18. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    I don't have any background of the alim in the below video, but he too has picked on the point of Iran Shah belittling the Shahaba (ra) in that speech about the hadith of Ibn Umar (ra).

     
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  19. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    1:45:44 notice how the sellouts on stage remaining silent at the mention of the virtues of Hazrat Abu Bakr, Allah Almighty is well pleased with him. Only a handful from the audience open their mouths. Muzzammils face just as the camera turns to the audience say's a lot.
     
  20. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    They are all either covert shias or tafzlilies to the least, some have shown their true faces, some are defending them yet claiming to be sunni like chaman zaman, and some are still hidden among sunnies.

    Pir Haseen uddin (the leader of all the tafzili molvies, the main guy who is producing tafzili molvies, while he himself remains silent on any issue)
    Irfan Shah
    Riyaz Hussain Shah
    Munawwar Jamati
    Hanif Qureshi
    Chaman Zaman
    Hussain Ahmed Madani
    Zafar Shah Bukhari
    Pir nassir uddin shah (died) and his sons
    Pir Naqibur Rahman and Hasibur Rahman
     
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