karbala - imam hasan raza khan

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    the following quote is taken only for convenience from a website whose creedal leanings are not known to me except that they rely on those who don't belong to the jam'ah and hence I won't post the link:

    Alamah Ibn Qudamah Hanbali رحمھالله writes in Al Mughni (vol.1, p.382):

    ‘There is no diference in the scholars that he time of Isha commences when Shafaq disapears. There is only a minor diference betwen two sayings as to exactly when Shafaq is said to have ocured. Some say Shafaq disapears when the red light after Magrib disapears, others say it is when the white light disapears.

    1. Ibn Umar and Ibn Abas , Ata’, Mujahid, Saed Ibn Jubair, Imam Zuhri, Imam Thawri, Ibn Abi Layla, Ishaq, Imam Malik, Imam Ahmed, Imam Shafi and Imam Abu Yusuf and Muhammad Shaybani رحمھمالله, all state that Shafaq disapears with the disapearance of the red light (أحمر ) after Magrib.

    2. Anas bin Malik , Abu Hurairah , Umar bin Abdul Aziz, Imam Awzai’, Ibn Munzir and Imam Abu Hanifa الله رحمھم al states that Shafaq disappears when both the red (أحمر ) and white light (أبیض ) have disapeared after Magrib and night commences.'


    This clearly shows that in relating the aftermath of Karbala the ulema are not referring to the redness caused by particles present in atmosphere (the astronomical twilight أحمر) but a different redness which was blood red in colour and not the pinkish or orange hues which are naturally seen at sunset.

    Consider the following:
    During sunset hours, the light passing through our atmosphere to our eyes tends to be most concentrated with red and orange frequencies of light. For this reason, the sunsets have a reddish-orange hue. The effect of a red sunset becomes more pronounced if the atmosphere contains more and more particles. The presence of sulfur aerosols (emitted as an industrial pollutant and by volcanic activity) in our atmosphere contributes to some magnificent sunsets (and some very serious environmental problems).

    Which proves that it is quite possible for the local horizon in a particular region to appear redder than usual and for a limited time period.


    "The circumambient medium which we call the atmosphere is to the earth only as so much ground-glass globe to a lamp—something that breaks, checks, and diffuses the light. We have never known, never shall know, direct sunlight—that is, sunlight in its purity undisturbed by atmospheric conditions. It is a blue shaft falling perfectly straight, not a diffused white or yellow light; and probably the life of the earth would not endure for an hour if submitted to its unchecked intensity. The white or yellow light, known to us as sunlight, is produced by the ground-glass globe of air, and it follows readily enough that its intensity is absolutely dependent upon the density of the atmosphere—the thickness of the globe. The thickening of the aërial envelope lies in the particles of dust, soot, smoke, salt, and vapor which are found floating in larger or smaller proportions in all atmospheres.
    Dust is always present in the desert air in some degree, and when it is at its maximum with the heat and winds of July, we see the air as a blue, yellow, or pink haze.
    This air-blue is seen at its best in the gorges of the Alps, and in the mountain distances of Scotland; but it is not so apparent on the desert. The coloring of the atmosphere on the Colorado and the Mojave is oftener pink, yellow, lilac, rose-color, sometimes fire-red. And to understand that we must take up the ground-glass globe again.
    So it is that in dry countries like Spain and Morocco or on the deserts of Africa and America, you will find the sky rose-hued or yellow, and the air lilac, pink, red, or yellow........I mean now that the air itself is colored....... I am not now speaking of the color of objects on the earth, but of the color of the air. A thing too intangible for color you think? But what of the sky overhead? It is only tinted atmosphere. And what of the bright-hued horizon skies at sunrise and sunset, the rosy-yellow skies of Indian summer!
    The truth is all air is colored, and that of the desert is deeper dyed and warmer hued than any other for the reasons just given. It takes on many tints at different times, dependent upon the thickening of the envelope by heat and dust-diffusing winds. I do not know if it is possible for fine dust to radiate with heat alone; but certain it is that, without the aid of the wind, there is more dust in the air on hot days than at any other time. When the thermometer rises above 100° F., the atmosphere is heavy with it, and the lower strata are dancing and trembling with phantoms of the mirage at every point of the compass. It would seem as though the rising heat took up with it countless small dust-particles and that these were responsible for the rosy or golden quality of the air-coloring.
    The stronger the wind, and the more of dust and sand, the brighter the coloring. The climax is reached in the dramatic sand-storm—a veritable sand-fog which often turns half the heavens into a luminous red, and makes the sun look like a round ball of fire.
    The yellow haze of the desert is seen at its best when there is a yellow sunset, and the pink haze when there is a red sunset, indicating that at least the sky has some part in coloring by reflection the lower layers of desert air. Whatever the cause, there can be no doubt about the effect. The desert air is practically colored air. By that I do not mean that one looks through it as through a highly colored glass. The impression should not be gained that this air is so rose-colored or saffron-hued that one has to rub his eyes and wonder if he is awake. The average unobservant traveller looks through it and thinks it not different from any other air. But it is different. In itself, and in its effect upon the landscape, it is perhaps responsible for the greater part of what everyone calls "the wonderful color" of the desert.
    But granted the quantity and the quality of local colors in the desert, and the fact still remains that the air is the medium that influences if it does not radically change them all. The local hue of a sierra may be gray, dark red, iron-hued, or lead-colored; but at a distance, seen through dust-laden air, it may appear topaz-yellow, sapphire-blue, bright lilac, rose-red—yes, fire-red. During the heated months of summer such colors are not exceptional. They appear almost every evening. I have seen at sunset, looking north from Sonora some twenty miles, the whole tower-like shaft of Baboquivari change from blue to topaz and from topaz to glowing red in the course of half an hour. I do not mean edgings or rims or spots of these colors upon the peak, but the whole upper half of the mountain completely changed by them. The red color gave the peak the appearance of hot iron, and when it finally died out the dark dull hue that came after was like that of a clouded garnet.
    Through the long desert day the sunbeams are weaving skeins of color across the sands, along the sides of the canyons, and about the tops of the mountains. They stain the ledges of copper with turquoise, they burn the buttes to a terra-cotta red, they paint the sands with rose and violet, and they key the air to the hue of the opal. The reek of color that splashes the western sky at sunset is but the climax of the sun's endeavor. If there are clouds stretched across the west the ending is usually one of exceptional brilliancy. The reds are all scarlet, the yellows are like burnished brass, the oranges like shining gold."

    The above quote further shows that in a desert the redness of the sky can be of several shades and due to several influences. In this is a lesson for the nay-sayers that if the ulema have accepted the reports, it's not because of their credulity or the superstitious tendencies of the 'uneducated' folk but because of their faith that the same Almighty who is capable of changing the draperies of the skies everyday and even every hour is also capable of fore-warning the enemies of His Rasul (peace be upon him) and his noble household (ridhwanullahi'alayihim ajmayin) of His ('azzawajal) imminent wrath by painting the skies with blood red colors.

    And Allah knows best.

  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    When al-Ḥusayn was murdered, the world stood still for seven days and the stars collided with one another. He was killed on the Day of ‘Ashūra’ [10th of Muharram] and there was a lunar eclipse on that day and the horizon was a blood-red color for six months after that. The redness of the sky continued after that, even though such a thing had never been seen before. It was also said that not a single stone was overturned in Jerusalem on that day except that fresh blood was found beneath it. And the saffron that was in the army [of Ibn Ziyād] became ashes…and a man who had spoken an ill word against al-Ḥusayn was blinded when the Almighty cast two stars into his eyes to take away his sight.

    Al-Tha‘labī has related that many historians have conveyed from several chains of narration on the authority of ‘Abd al-Malik ibn ‘Umayr al-Laythī who said: ‘I have seen in this very palace’—and he pointed to the governor’s residence of Kufa—‘the head of ‘Ubayd Allāh ibn Ziyād in the hands of al-Mukhtār ibn Abī ‘Ubayd; then I saw the head of al-Mukhtār before the hands of Muṣ‘ab ibn al-Zubayr; then I saw the head of Muṣ‘ab before the hands of ‘Abd al-Malik [ibn Marwān]. I related this to ‘Abd al-Malik who was startled at this and departed from the palace.’

    Al-Tirmidhī narrated on the authority of Salma, who said: ‘I entered into the presence of Umm Salama, who was crying and I said to her: ‘Why do you cry?’ She said: ‘I saw the Prophet of God in my dream with dust upon his head and beard and asked him about why he was in this condition. He replied that he had just witnessed the murder of al-Ḥusayn.’

    Al-Bayhaqī related in his Dalā’il on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbās: ‘I saw the Prophet at midday with disheveled hair, soiled with dust and in his hand a vial of blood, so I said to him: ‘May you be ransomed by my mother and father O Prophet of God, what is this [in your hand]?’ He replied and said: ‘This is the blood of al-Ḥusayn and his companions; I have not ceased to gather it up since this day.’ They calculated that day and found that it was the very day upon which al-Ḥusayn was killed.

    Abū Nu‘aym related in his Dalā’il on the authority of Umm Salama who said: ‘I heard the jinn crying for al-Ḥusayn and lamenting for him.’

    [Jalāl al-Dīn al-Suyūtī, Tārīkh al-Khulafā’ (Beirut: al-Maktaba al-‘Asriyya, 2010), pp. 184–188]

    just chanced upon this link on ma'rifah. Seems that our ulema have accepted these reports. If it's good enough for them, its good enough for me. 'science' go to hell.

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  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    yes I am in contact with ulema but I am not in constant contact with them. I think this will surprise you (going by your comment above) but when I leave their company, I still have many questions to ask. every time. so I kind of feel I am burdening them. Hence, I try to divide my questions between the two sources that I have.

    Secondly, I think when different people speak on a topic they give different perspectives and that adds to my own understanding of it.

    There are other reasons too. But let me assure you that I never ask questions just for the sake of it.

    Hope this much suffices.

    Finally, can you please point out what's abnormal in the above question?


  4. Watermelon

    Watermelon Active Member

    Are you not in contact with any Ulama that you can put forward your questions to? Whenever I open a thread, you always seem to be asking questions on it (most of them unnecessary) - why this? why that?

    You don't come across as someone who is uneducated, don't know how the other members feel, but your choice of questions are not normal in my opinion.
  5. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Yes brother, they are from the book. Huzur Mufti Azam wrote that this was the book that used to be read (out aloud) every year in the home of his blessed father.
  6. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    The tragedy of karbala has been foretold by Huzur Paak(s) in various sahih ahadith; ranging from Musnad of Imam Ahmed to Jami` Tirmadi. These reports have been classified sahih from al-Dhahabi to al-Albani. More on this if required.

    We have the Noble Prophet(s) crying about the martyrdom of Imam Husayn(a) which makes it a sunnah for us to shed tears in remembrance of tragedy. Secondly, the muslim historians have paid a special attention to this event in Islamic History so much so that apart from the seerah, we do not have as much space devoted in the annals of history other than karbala. There were numerous maqatil written close to the events of karbala, which were later incorporated by the later historians in their works. The details like any other event in Islam can vary, just read about any battles of early Islam and you will find that there are differences though import of the whole does not differ.

    Similarly, there are various details of karbala that vary in certain aspects but on the whole the narrative provides us with a complete before, during and after depiction. More on this if required.

    As for your question about redness issues. Well, the first redness was the bottle of sand given to hazrat Umm Salama(s)which turned into blood after the martyrdom, reported authentically as even admitted by salafi-god al-albani. also Ibn Abbas's dream with sahih sanad sees the Messenger of God(s) collecting blood of the martyrs of Karbala, etc.

    Of course, there are also reports that are weak and perhaps, do not pass the stringent tests of the muhadithin, however, these are not a product of our age but have been in textual sources from earliest times. When a historical report which is an isolated one does not affect our aqeeda which is proven from stronger sources then relating them presents no harm for the converted.

    There is an old document called anglo-saxon chronicle which was 'collected' in the 9th century and has many manuscripts and also has many dating issues/discrepancies, according to the experts. However, in events of the years 685 which is about five years later than karbala states:
    "This year
    there was in Britain a bloody rain, and milk and butter were
    turned to blood"

    It is impossible that the muslim historians copied this from the anglo-saxon chronicle and incorporated it into their story of karbala. Nevertheless, rain of blood, etc. have been reported by many isolated reports about karbala in Islamic History. Perhaps, it is a coincidence but dating to be so close and if we agree with the experts that there are dating problems with the chronicle...I am not arguing that it rained blood in karabala afterwards and it also rained blood in england...but the two ideas exist independently of each other about the sametime.
  7. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Amazing Incidents after the Martyrdom of Sayyiduna Imam Hussain ‘Alaihi Salaam

    do the passages in the above article actually belong to the book?

    if yes then I would like to know the hikmah of our elders behind narrating these incidents for which the chains are not always very strong. especially the thing about the redness at sunset and sunrise times, enemies can use such narrations to discredit us by simply showing any old book , such as from the greek period that speaks about the redness. or can they?


  9. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    It is reported that nearly three hundred years before the arrival of the Holy Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him – , these words were mysteriously found written on a rock. It read:“Does the murderer of Husayn have this hope that his grandfather would intercede for him on the Day of Reckoning?

    This stone was found in a church in Rome and no one knew the person who had written this.
  10. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran


    During the month of Rajab in the sixtieth year after the Hijra incidents began that were so heart rendering that it has become the cause for perpetual remembrance. These were incidents that tore through the kidneys and rendered the heart uncomfortable, and incidents that made the religious uneasy and filled them with sadness at the lack of provision for the true sacred ones of the Almighty. Yazid wanted his own kingdom and put forward his impure feet to achieve this. This served as a warning for the impending difficulties to come, difficulties that would bring one’s heart into one’s mouth and cause the heart to tremble and shudder.

    This tyrant considered strengthening his government and increasing his disgraceful respect, as being solely reliant on soiling his sword with the innocent blood and respect of the blessed Ahl al-Bayt. When this denizen of Hell changed his intention for the worse, then the environment of the time also changed. The air filled with poison and the lives of these innocent souls were filled with sadness and tragedy. Each and every fresh flower of this blessed family fell and their faces were filled with sand and dust.


    The first attack of Yazid was on Imam Hasan. He deceived the wife of Imam Hasan, namely a lady called Jahdah, that if she poisoned the great Imam, then he would marry her. This unfortunate lady in her thirst for worldly wealth and power, turned away from one of the leaders of Paradise, turned away from the power of the Hereafter and choose the road to Hell. She managed to poison the great Imam a few times, but it had no effect. As a final attack, she managed to feed him a large dose of this poison and he began to finally feel that his body was giving up on him.

    When Imam Husayn heard this disturbing news, he immediately rushed to his beloved brother. He sat near the head of Imam Hasan and asked, “Who is it that has poisoned you?” Imam Hasan replied, “If it is the person whom I think it is, then the Almighty would certainly take a great retribution. And if it is not that person, then I do not wish to take something from an innocent.” (Hulyatul Awliya. Al Hasan bin Ali. Hadith no. 1438. Vol. 2. Page 47).

    In another narration it is stated that he replied, “My dear brother! People have hope that on the Day of Judgment, we, (the Ahl al-Bayt), would be able to help them by interceding for them and not that we should seek retribution or justice against them.”

    Thereafter, the departing Imam gave advice to the incoming Imam by saying, “Husayn! Be careful of the folk of Kufa. There is a possibility that they may capture you by their words and then leave you alone (at the time of need). You would then regret this because the time to save yourself would have been gone.”

    There is no doubt that these wise words of the great Imam could be weighed in gold and pearls and could have been inscribed onto the heart. However, who could stop that which was to happen? That incident which the Almighty had made famous many years ago!


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  11. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    * error above (it should be):

    When these incidents and his immense love for his beloved grandsons are examined by us and when we remember their martyrdom, then we do not just become tearful; nay we shed oceans of tears. Simultaneously, the Greatness and Divine Independence of the Almighty becomes clear and apparent. These creations of beauty are the friends of the Almighty and it is within the Divine Behaviour to surround His friends with calamity and hardship.
  12. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    The beloved slaves of Allah and His Divine Decree

    When these incidents and his immense love for his beloved grandsons are examined by us and when we remember their martyrdom, then we do just become tearful; nay we shed oceans of tears. Simultaneously, the Greatness and Divine Independence of the Almighty becomes clear and apparent. These creations of beauty are the friends of the Almighty and it is within the Divine Behaviour to His friends with calamity and hardship.

    Once, a person declared to the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him -, “I have love for the Holy Prophet”. In reply, the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - declared, “Prepare yourself for poverty.” The person then declared, “I have friendship, (love) for Allah.” The Holy Prophet replied, “Prepare yourself for calamity.”​

    The Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - has also declared that, “The most severe of tests and trials comes to the Prophets. (After them), then those who are better and those who are better.” (Musnad Imam Ahmad. Hadith no. 27147. Vol.10. Page 306).​


    Dear Muslims! The Almighty had blessed the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - with a patient and satisfied heart. If he chose to live in comfort and luxury, then certainly the Almighty would have sent down Paradise for him and even then, this opulence and ease would have not made a difference to his pure soul. This trial and tribulation is based upon the fact that he happily endured it, because he is the Mercy for the worlds. He came as a complete mercy for everything in the universe. If he had chosen luxury and pomp, then he would have not experienced the trial and tribulation of his followers. ​


    Let us now see the amazing patience and how content the blessed family of the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - was in the face of such hardship and trial. ​

    Sayyiduna Abu Zarr -radiAllahu anhu - was once asked about hardship and reward, he replied, “With us, both are equal.” (In other words, whatever reaches us from our Divine Friend is good).​

    When this news reached Imam Hasan -radiAllahu anhu -, he replied, “May Allah shower His mercy on Abu Zarr. However, with us, the Ahl al-Bayt, hardship is more supreme than reward. The reason is that there is a share for the nafs in reward, while in hardship, it is strictly for the Pleasure of Allah.”​

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  13. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    absolutely beautiful narrations!

    Ya Shaheed e Karbala , Ya Dafa' e karb o bala
    Gul rukhaa, shehzaada-ye gulgooN qabaa imdad kun!

    Ay Husayn ay Mustafa ra raahat e jaan, noor e 'ayn
    raahat e jaan noor e aynam deh bay-aa imdad kun!
  14. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    I am going to try to post extracts from the urdu book, Aain-e-Qiyamat, of Sayyidi Mawlana Hasan Raza Khan on the battle of Karbala. Please correct wherever possible.

    Allah with Whose Name we begin, Most Beneficent, Most Merciful.
    All Praise is due to Almighty Allah, Durood and Salam upon our Master, Our Leader Muhammad, upon his Family and Companions entire.

    The presence of the magnificent state of martyrdom in the blessed court of the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him.

    Allah the All Mighty has created the personality of the Beloved Messenger - blessings and peace be upon him - into a symbol of every blessing and grace. His unique attributes and characteristics are unfound in any other human, Messenger or Prophet. Outwardly, it seems that only the position of martyrdom has eluded itself in this magnificent court. Concerning this the scholars have declared and it is such a beautiful declaration that, on the occasion of the battle of Uhud, when the Prophet’s - blessings and peace be upon him - blessed tooth was martyred then this specific sacrifice attained ascendancy in position (in all forms) of martyrdom of those who came before him and of those who came after him.

    But, at the same time, when we think of the intimacy of his beloved grandsons with him, then we unhesitatingly have to conclude that their martyrdom was in fact his martyrdom and that they were blessed with this grace and glory through their proximity to him.

    The prominence of Imam Hasan ibn Ali and Imam Husayn ibn Ali – Allah’s pleasure be upon them all

    It is reported that once, Imam Hasan approached the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - and climbed on his shoulders. A person, (who was present) remarked, “O blessed son! What a nice steed you have”. In reply, the Holy Prophet declared, “And how nice a rider (too).” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab al-Manaqib. Manaqib Abi Muhammad al-Hasan – Hadith no. 3809. Vol 5. Page 432).

    Once, when the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - was in ritual prostration Imam Hasan wrapped himself on the blessed back of the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him. Due to this, the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - lengthened the ritual prostration so that he (Hasan) would not fall when the Prophet raised his head. (Musnad Abu Ya'la. Musnad Anas bin Malik. Hadith no. 3415. Vol 3. Page 21).

    The Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - declared: “these two sons of mine are the leaders of the youth in Paradise.” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi. Kitab al-Manaqib. Manaqib Abi Muhammad al-Hasan. Hadith no. 3793. Vol. 5. Page 426).

    The Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - has also stated that, “Their friends are my friends, their enemies are my enemies.” (Sunan ibn Maja. kitab al-Sunna. Fadl al Hasan wa al Husain. Hadith no. 143. Vol. 1. Page 96).

    He has also stated that, “these two are the swords of the heavens.” He has also stated that, “Husayn is from me and I am from Husayn. May Allah keep him as a friend who keeps Husayn as his friend. Husayn is a grandchild from among grandchildren.” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi. Hadith no. 3800. Vol. 5. Page 429).

    It is stated that once, the Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - placed Imam Husayn on his right thigh and and his own son, Sayyiduna Ibrahim on his left thigh. Jibra’il appeared to him and said, “Allah will not keep them both with the Prophet, choose one of them.” The Holy Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - could not bear being separated from Imam Husayn and three days later, Sayyiduna Ibrahim passed on to the Divine Lord. After this incident, whenever Imam Husayn came in front of him , he used to kiss him and say, ‘Welcome to the one for whom I have sacrificed my own son’” (Tarikh al-Baghdad. Vol.2. Page 200).

    He has also declared that, “They are my sons and the sons of my daughter. O Allah! I have kept them in my friendship; You also keep them in Your friendship and keep him as Your friend who keeps them as his friends.” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi. Kitab al-Manaqib. Hadith no. 3794. Vol .5. Page 427).

    He advised his blessed daughter, “Bring me both my sons.” He used to then smell them and then hug them to his chest. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi. Kitab al-Manaqib. Hadith no. 3797. Vol. 5. Page 428).


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