latest sh.yaqubi speech

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  1. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    Due respect, the issue is not the portrayal but it's Sayyid Yaqu'bi's crass misrepresentation of a hadith sharif.
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  2. ahlus-sunnah

    ahlus-sunnah Veteran

    Muslim Blood more Sacred than the Holy Ka`ba

    In the Targhib wa’ l-Tarhib of Imam al-Mundhiri, 3/276 it has the following Hadith from `Abd Allah ibn `Amr ibn al-`As (Allah be well pleased with him) that he said:

    “I saw the Messenger of Allah Salallahu Alayhi Wasallam performing Tawaf around the Holy Ka`ba saying to it: ‘how pure and good you are! how pure and good your fragrance is! how great and exalted you are! and how great and exalted your sanctity is! But by Him in Whose hand is Muhammad’s soul, the sanctity of a believer’s blood and property in the sight of Allah is greater than your sanctity!’

    رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يطوف بالكعبة ويقول ما أطيبك وما أطيب ريحك ما أعظمك وما أعظم حرمتك والذي نفس محمد بيده لحرمه المؤمن عند الله أعظم من حرمتك ماله ودمه


    1. The blood of a Muslim is sacred.
    2. Spilling Muslim blood is unlawful – without right.
    3. It’s sanctity is compared to that of the Holy Ka`ba and declared greater.
    4. The Muslim life and property must require protection and safeguarding.
    And Allah knows best.
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  3. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn

  4. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    Dr. Wahab al-Zuhayli was a very learned scholar from Shaam, he passed away about 2 months ago.

    رحمه الله
  5. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

  6. "Dood ka dood pani ka pani"

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  7. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn

    The term “rahimahullah” besides being a prayer for mercy is also a suffix denoting respect and further could imply you support their views or find no fault in them, why would any person want to ascribe what could be seen as a honorary suffix to any deviant?
  8. The issue of praying for someones mercy who is controversial is a interesting one indeed. Some of our scholars demonstrate leniency and the other majority caution us from this. The quoted fatwa below clears the issue. One thing is for sure that there is no obligation on a individual to say this.

    Sh yaqoubi calls for that we be at "war" against ISIS and other forms of innovation, both war of arms and war of the mind. My personal experience (which is limited I admit but would like to share nevertheless) is that, and I'm sure the more experienced ones of you out there would agree, most innovators or ISIS lovers would NEVER say "rahima hullah" after the name of sayyidi alahazrat رضي الله تبارك و تعالى عنه or any other true and upright sunni scholar. If "sunnis" start saying "rahima hullah " after their champions that is giving the impression to the layman they are correct too. All I say is that on such issues we must collectively be more wise about them, paticularly in state of "war" and as our holy prophet صلى الله تعالى عليه وسلم said: war is trickery/deceit.

    Secondly yes sh yaqoubi MUST present a clarification of the hadeeth especially since he has quoted it couple of times now. Also the context in which he mentions this hadeeth makes it seem all the more dodgier. However saying that it seems to have become a habit of the "shaykhs" to adopt the deobandi silence technique and never present clarifications for their dodgy actions leaving the the many "saday" people in a deeper state of confusion. I don't think I need to remind people the names of some of the "shaykhs" who have in the recent history employed this deobandi trait.

    Finaly I don't think any sane person would contest the nasab of sh yaqoubi or sh habib jiffy.
  9. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    I would want to make a quick few points:

    1 Saying 'rahimahuAllah' after the name of a Muslim who deviated in aspects of creed but did not reach disbelief would either be permissible, unrestricted, or impermissible with restrictions.

    So many scholars have said 'rahimahuAllah' after the names of controversial figures that a list can be compiled.

    Therefore things should not be made out to be black and white, even though we disagree with an individual strongly.

    2 Shaykh Yaqoubi being a student of Shaykh Ibrahim rahimahuAllah in hadith should be able to bring out the reference for the hadith he has quoted. At the same time he may even bring out a context for his statement on Charlie Hebdo issue. Then again he may not. We will wait and see.

    3 Because Shaykh Yaqoubi and Sayyid Habib Ali are from a pure lineage, and an unworldly family, it is the sole reason why they are poor in politics. I think this is their number one mistake. Politics is for polluted people and not for people of noble stock.

    This has been their main mistake...
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  10. Are you referring to yazid here or bin baz or both?
  11. Peer Jamat Ali Shah (who are a sayyid) were once asked can a sayyid go to jahannam (he'll fire)?
    They answered if he leaps towards jahannam himself Allah won't stop him. Agar chalan mare jahannam taraf Allah nai rokai ga.

    Meaning if his actions run towards jahannam himself then how can anyone else support him.
  12. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    well urm yea! happy to make excuses for any Muslim and especially a grand son of the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam and an inheritor of his knowledge
  13. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    anyway yes whats wrong with praying for someones forgiveness unless you consider them a kafir.... i wouldn't personally use that terminology though in case someone mistakenly thinks he was someone very pious or that you are praising them.
  14. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    sorry it's a struggle to post on the mobile...will try again when have access to a desktop
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    faqir Veteran

  16. Ikhwaan

    Ikhwaan New Member

    @Abu Hamza.....

    I think you've missed the point. I don't think that what khadim is saying is that it is impermissible to say it because he is one of the fundamental scholars which these people relate to.....rather because it is a scholar they relate to AND holds aqeedah which is clearly out of the ahlus sunnah.

    You're question regarding ibn taymiyyah is easily brushed a side by stating that the scholars who say so about him do not consider him to carry such aqaid that would expel him completely from the correct creed.

    There is a vast difference in the two

  17. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Brother Khadim, thanks for sharing. He said Sunni Islam allows for every difference of opinion. Does he mean within Sunni fiqh or on Aqeedah ??? He is contradicting himself because by that argument Sunni Islam would allow the ISIS difference of opinion to exist too, but he wants the disappearance of the ISIS ideology.
  18. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    Al-Bani/Bin-Baaz/Uthaymeen all adhere to the creed of Ibn Taymiyyah, one of the founding fathers of 'Wahabi'ism', should Ulema refrain from asking mercy for him also?

    Genuine question, many Ulema still do so.

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