Marriage and parental consent

Discussion in 'Hanafi Fiqh' started by Umar99, May 25, 2016.

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  1. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Surah Noor Ayah 32:


    "And enjoin in marriage those among you who are not married, and your deserving slaves and bondwomen; if they are poor, Allah will make them wealthy by His munificence; and Allah is Most Capable, All Knowing."
  2. Ghulam e Mustafa

    Ghulam e Mustafa Active Member

    Does marriage increases rizq???
  3. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    The whole point behind such marriages, despite no compulsion in religion, she will eventually convert to Islam. If this is not the case, the children most definitely will be taught Islam, under the responsibility of the father. Though honestly, in the times we live in now, chances of such marriages turning out the way mention I believe is very low.
  4. Ghulam e Mustafa

    Ghulam e Mustafa Active Member

    I think there is difference of opinion on this matter according to madhabs.
  5. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Marriage with Christian woman is valid for Muslim man although discouraged
  6. Ghulam e Mustafa

    Ghulam e Mustafa Active Member

    Can a Muslim Christian or Jew?? Is It allowed, Christian believe that Jesus is god.
  7. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Well yes the parents are the ones who should be finding a spouse for her, she should not be going up to guys and doing any kind of "halal dating". Also in the Hanafi madhab, unless the male is Kufuw then she needs her father's agreement for it to be valid, and even if he is, it doesn't mean Hanafi madhab encourages marriage without Wali's permission, it is still better to ask permission and in line with Adab to have parents approval. As for the other Madhabs then Nikah without the Wali's consent is void. Also in other Madhabs there is such thing as Wali Mujbir, such as the father, who can marry her off without her consent as long as some conditions are met. So this idea that Islam promotes women to go out and find herself a spouse and marry anyone she wants and no one can say anything kind of attitude is wrong.

    The reasons often women are not married off to certain people is because of their caste/profession, and in the Hanafi Madhab a woman needs permission of Wali to marry a man from a lower caste/profession, this is an area where Kufuw is required whilst for a boy he can marry anyone he wants as long as she is Muslim, even Jew and Christian, marriage with them is valid even though it is not recommended just as for a woman marriage without Wali's consent is valid with a Kufuw even though it is not recommended.
  8. AMQadiri

    AMQadiri Seeker

    Unfortunately I've noticed that this issue is more so for the women than for men - talking from a Desi perspective here but I'm sure its similar for other cultures. Basically, the girl is obliged to marry whoever the parents or grandparents pick, which in this case 99% of the time is close cousins/relatives. If she declines proposals then all Hell breaks loose and she has earned the displeasure of her parents (usually the father). The boy however is allowed to marry whoever he wants, so complete freedom for him.

    The whole displeasure of parents thing in regards to marriage really needs to be uprooted and rectified hardcore by our Sunni Ulema. When's the last time you heard any Sunni scholar talk openly about marriage, not just from an Islamic perspective but from a cultural one as well? This is something that the bad mazhabs (Deos, Wahhabis, etc.) focus much attention on these days and I'm seeing parents complying after listening to their lectures. It's good in the sense that they actually listen to their kids and are willing to comply, leading to happy successful marriages. But what's not good is that they are getting advice and counsel from Deos/Wahhabis - further increasing their affection for their scholars. Take NAK, Menk for example.

    May Allah give our Sunni parents the hidayah to come out of their cultural bubbles and into the fold of the Sunnah and make it easy for the youth to get married. Ameen!
  9. Ghulam e Mustafa

    Ghulam e Mustafa Active Member

    In some cases parents see only worldly things, if he has money they don't see anything other bad thing...
  10. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    The Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم said, “Obedience to Allah is through Obedience to ones father, and Allah’s displeasure is through the displeasure of one’s father.”

    In another Hadith, Rasoolullah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم said, “Pleasure of Allah is in the pleasure of the father, and displeasure of Allah is in the displeasure of the father.”

    In one narration, Rasoolullah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم said, “Parents are either your Heaven or your Hell.”

    In one Hadith Rasoolullah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم said, “The father is the middle door from all the doors of Jannat. Now if you desire, then your may lose this door or keep it protected.”

    Rasoolullah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم also said, “Three persons will not enter Heaven: One who disobeys his parents, a fornicator and a woman who dresses like a man.”

    Rasoolullah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم said, “The punishment for all sins, Allah will give in the hereafter, but that of one who disrespects his parents. He starts receiving his punishment whilst on earth.”

    It is in one narration, that there was a young man who on his deathbed could not recite the Kalimah. This message came to Rasoolullah who went to him and reminded him of the Kalimah, and he replied by saying that he could not recite it (even though he tried). It was then confirmed that his mother was displeased with him. After gaining her pleasure (forgiveness), then only was he able to recite the Kalimah.

    Also I know of people who disobeyed and hurt their parents in regards to this and as a result were cursed by them or their grandparents and thus suffered a very bad marriage and regret it now.
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Although not all parents stipulate logical or Islamic demands. In some cases, their demands are patently unIslamic and rooted in superstitious beliefs like dowry, astrology, restricting the marriage options to first cousins only etc. I have known people who would read the palms of prospective brides before initiating a proposal.

    I'm not saying parents hearts must be broken, but it would be a good idea to get a scholar as a mediator to inform them properly if such is the case.

    With these times of fitna, the focus should be on how best easily available evils like zina and other fawahish can be stopped. In many cases, it is absolute zulm to force someone to marry a man or woman they don't want to marry.
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I think in some situations, like the one described, we shouldn't just state the fatwa but more so the implications.

    I feel a couple should always keep the happiness of their parents in mind. Otherwise, won't it be a case of displeasing your parents for your own pleasure?
  13. Assalamu 'Alaikum

    What is the position of Hanafi Ulama on the matter of groom's Nikah without his parents' consent? The groom and bride are Baaligh and sane. The groom's parents do not agree to the proposal and they are upset. Can the groom marry without his parents' consent? If the parents feel hurt due to it can the groom still go on with the proposal? Will the groom be held responsible for the grief of his parents?

    Jazaak Allahu Khair

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