Mufti Fazl Chisti and his critics

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  1. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Probably a clarification here. I don't understand punjabi well enough to understand what the video says.
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    You have my vote. Agree with all you said. Thanks for reminding me re that vaccination thing.

    Again, I urge the hazrat in that video (speaking against Mufti Fazal) to please compare apples to apples.

    Keep issues of aqaid, imaniyat, kufriyat, Sunni usul and principles in one basket. (Passing kufr fatwa on school goers would come here). From the little I've seen of him on these matters, it wouldn't just be 'extremist', it would be zulm on our part to call him extremist.

    Put issues of fiqh in another basket. (Videos, vaccination being haram or halal etc.)

    Personally, as long as he's firm on Sunni aqaid and imaniyat, I would look the other way on his aberrations in fiqh on issues like vaccination etc. unless he just did wanton takfeer/tabdee3 on such issues.
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  3. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    One of the Mufti sahab's "extreme" positions is on vaccination, a point that you had picked up on couple of months back. Some of the other (so-called contentious) issues are probably bit like neck-tie, microphone, photography/videography etc.

    I personally don't know about the school issue. May be, he takes a dim view of liberal, modernist education, which we all know can be contrary to puritanical view.

    Here and there, Mufti sahab has hinted that it is wajib to do hijrah from western lands where it is almost impossible to avoid being exposed to western mores (nudity, shamelessness etc.); for that he holds these UK, Canada based ulemas (especially those being neem-rafidhis) as being hypocrites. Fair point, even though many contemporary ulemas would steer clear of being so categorical.

    Mufti Fazl Chishti can be caustic at times, but as long as it is reserved for deviants and sell-out maulvis he is within his rights to do so. Elsewhere, I had heard Mawlana Samar Abbas Attari air his reservations against Mufti sahab for his abrasive behaviour. On khata ijtihadi issue, both Mufti Fazl Chishti and Dr Asif Jalali have the same stance, but neither party will openly acknowledge support/commonality.

    Mufti sahab can also be heard referring to Mufti Ahmad Yaar Khan Naeemi as Mufti Ahmad Yaar Khan 'Gujrati', Dr Jalali as "Dr Lahori", Dawat-e-Islami as "sabz imamah wale". That's probably his peculiar "style".

    Per se, I don't think Mufti sahab holds any opinion contrary to "traditional" sunni views, even though he may not have "moved with times".
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  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I saw the video from 3 min till the end.

    From 3 to 6 mins he said Fazal Chishti is on the fringes because of his extremist stances and errors in the past

    1. He (FC) says (or said in the past) anyone who goes to school is kafir - I find it extremely unbelievable even if such things are attributed to his 'extremist' past. Going by Fazal Chishti's knowledge of Fatawa Ridawiyya and how he handled this khata topic, and considering that even Ala Hazrat or Huzur Mufti Aazam Hind, never passed such Fatawa re school, I honestly feel this is probably unfair propaganda against him.

    2. He did takfeer and/or spoke against some akabireen of Ahlus Sunnah - which akabireen? Ala Hazrat or Shah Abdülaziz or Fazle Haq Khayrabadi or Mihr Ali Shah and those in that league or higher? Or the 'akabireen' of QTV and PTV like Muzaffar Shah, Amir Liaqath, Kaukab Noorani et al?

    3. He retracted from his stance on video - great (personally I support pro-video Fatawa for our times), but what does that have to do with aqaid and usul of Ahlus Sunnah? It's a fiqh position.

    4. What were his mistakes based on extremist tendencies? No info given.

    5. He says very sweetly that it's no big deal gaining knowledge, but we should have the mental capacity to sustain it. A very sweet and muaddabana way to call Fazal Chishti as the ibn taymiyya of the Sunnis (his knowledge superceded his intelligence).

    Sorry but unless those claims are substantiated, I smell a very sweet and muaddabana expression of bughz or jealousy.

    Nothing Fazal Chishti said about this khata issue or re Ameer Mu3awiyah, radi Allahu 3anhu, can be construed as extremist.

    I would urge the hazrat in the video to either shoot straight or keep silent. Please spare the awam. Our respect and patience for people who speak in riddles has collapsed.
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  5. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @sherkhan Watch the video below from 3 minutes to 6 minutes. I think this will explain why Mufti sahib is on the fringes.

  6. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    I am not familiar with relative standing (hall of fame) of Pakistani ulemas. SR Studio youtube channel (featuring Mufti Fazl Chishti's lectures) have very few views. In fact, he was never referenced on this forum before the outbreak of anti-Jalali campaign. It appears that he is not very widely followed outside his local area of influence (where he seems to receive very grand reception at well-attended gatherings). He also appears have debated deviant wahabis and shias.

    I am not sure how Mufti Fazl Chishti is placed within the ulema politics-scape. Either the tafdhili/rafidhi camp is scared of taking him on or they can afford to ignore him. Otherwise, since the start of the campaign, no ulema has made as telling and well-researched (and superbly marshalled) arguments as Mufti sahab. He is heads and shoulder above the whole lot of "famed" ulemas.

    Especially on the topic of Sayyiduna Amir Muawiya (radiAllahu anhu) and sukoot regarding Yazeed, I, as a layman, used to suffer from few misconceptions in the absence of access to proper/unbiased presentation of historical context/works. Thanks to latest series of lectures, I stand disabused.
  7. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    To be fair Mufti Fazal Chisti gets to the heart of the issues and academically picks apart the fallacies of the opposition. This latest one completely destroyed Shah sahib's stance.
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Mufti Fazal Ahmad Chishti's name has Qadri Ridawi at the end of it indicating his tariqah.

    So then it appears to me his surname is Chishti (not silsila), which would imply he's a Sayyid.

    If someone knows, can they please confirm.

    It's great if he's a Sayyid, because that only makes it that much harder for the other side to throw the Sayyid blackmail/dhandli at him.

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