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Discussion in 'Siyar an-Nubala' started by AbdalQadir, Sep 2, 2020.
راہ پر ان کو لگا لائے تو ہیں باتوں میں
اور کھل جائیں گے دو چار ملاقاتوں میں
A fine example of a person who fails to have an understanding of what Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz's (ra) statement meant!
A question to you Mr Rafzi - If Imam Hussein (RadiyAllahu Anhu) is the 'foundation' of Islam and the kalimah then what was the religion of all the Sahaba before him and on what religion was the Prophet (Swallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) himself? What about Mawla Ali (RadiyAllahu Anhu)?
rafidis haven't changed a bit in 14 centuries
(I wonder if they still nick footwear from outside mosques )
no i don't , but at least i do weep for imam e paak and i don't try to find excuses for your pir yazeed like you do! yazeed kay saath koii rishta zaroor hoga jo itni koshish kar rahe ho usse jannati banaani ki haina?
lol ... trollsy getting all weepsy weepsy, shouty shouty
no surprise, rafidis are like that ..
AbuS: have you started tearing your clothes already? in case you need help don't hesitate to contact farooq razvi sab ..
i've got nothing personal against farooqi saahib. on the level of a sunni muslim i respect him. but something about him just grates me. same with many of the barelvis ulema from bareilly. i dont think most shia would really care what he says so in a way he's preaching to the converted. that's with all such polemic focused speakers. khadim rizvi irks me for the same reason.
you have no way of knowing if their love is 'fake'. . Some Shia might be accused of going over the top and doing ghuluw' but to say their love is fake is nonsense. many Sunnis claim to love ahlul bayt but how often do we hear the names of ahlul bayt in our mosques or speakers throughout the year? how many sunnis can even name the 12 imams or know their biographies or know who abbas alamdaar or bibi shehrbano etc are?
the argument for not remembering or mourning martyrs because they are alive is an illogical one. otherwise no one would ever remember anyone who has died but is in reality alive including prophets! if that was a valid argument wby did imam zayn al abidin alayhisalam spend his whole life crying and never smiled. didn't he know imam husayn alayhisalam is zinda javed?!
sadly, out of zeal of not appearing like shia, too many sunnis have gone to the other extreme and allowed nasibism to creep into our ranks. not deliberately. i dont think but that's what has been the end result. as imam shafi said if love of ahle bait makes me a rafizi, then i proclaim i am the biggest rafizi!
aaye oh nasibia! you are the kind of indian idiot who its not worth replying to!
Ya Abu'l Fazal!
Ya Ali madad!
can't, hasn't any.
because it causes agony to the rawafid.
because we consider, nay, believe Imam Husayn radi Allahu 3anhu as alive based on Quran's direct verse for shuhadaa
because it throws a monkey wrench into their matam programs of fake love
why does Farooq saab's mention of this couplet irk you?
if you weren't busy jumping from branch to branch, you would have heard Farooq saab say in the video (repeating Ala Hazrat's words) that a person whose eyes can't shed tears at the description of the events of Karbala, should cry at his own state due to his hard heartedness.
a person with a good heart will indeed feel overwhelmed listening to the narrations regarding Imame Aali Maqam radi Allahu 3anhu.
you just can't say it is farze ayn to cry. that is iftara on deen.
crying isn't haram.
wailing is haram. it's squarely a trait of the rawafid and only they deem it farz or wajib.
don't act like your the last man standing defending the Ahle Bayt. Sherkhan called you out on your stupidity understanding Farooq Rizvi's speech, and you come back here attacking straw nawasib.
upset... who? where? we just don't wail and do matam like the rawafid.
then why did Farooq saab's speech bother you? and why bring in the 'he kicks anyone out of Sunniyat' objection?
only in your head. wahm ka koi ilaj nahin hai.
sincere advice. master prose first before your dabble into poetry. you don't even understand what you quote or utter, and this here comment is proof of your brilliance:
you do know that Hashmi Miyan holds Farooq Rizvi in high esteem as a 'real barelvi', right?
so if you like Syed Hashmi Miyan and hate his friend, what does that make you to Hashmi miyan?
besides, tell me one person/group who Farooq saab kicked out of Sunniyat and Hashmi Miyan didn't?
it's really not funny any more. it seems you came here just to cause havoc in the name of hurmat of Muharram, or someone sent you here maybe!
stop being a brat and try to take a walk in the countryside or something to detox your brains!
hazrat syed hashmi baba, a real barelvi and not a hate of ahlul bayt, on karbala.
i didn't initially listen to the clip by farooq razvi but then went back to listen to it. its repetitive. he spends his whole time saying how this one couplet (hum zinda javed ka maatam nahin karte) was replied to by 300, 3000 or 5000 couplets by shias. that's it. typical of anyone with 'razvi' after their name nowadays whether from bharat or pakistan. no one has done more to give the teachings of imam ahmad raza khan a bad name then his modern day self professed followers. farooq miyan was fixed on the word maatam. no one is saying do maatam. kam az kam shed two tears for imam hussain though? crying and wailing for him isn't haraam? the holy prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) wept for imam hussain and he wept for hazrat hamza and he ordered womenof banu hashim to cry for hazrat hamza its in tabari. so nothing wrong with crying for hussain paak.
secondly, i am not a shia so your pigheaded comments don't apply or bother me! but all this is just a smokescreen for your bughz of Ali and his Aal. Otherwise why would you get so upset when aashiqaan e Hussain weep for Hussain (a.s.)?
AQ, good one! if i was a shia that would matter. i am not so it doesn't bother me. i never used the word maatam in any of my posts. but asking people to remember hussain paak alahisalaam in muharram has caused an outrage on this forum amongst alleged 'barelvis'!
that was and is my only gripe!
hazrat moinuddin chishti, a real Sunni, wrote.
shah ast hussain, badshah ast hussain
deen ast hussain deenpanaah ast hussain!
the last line is binaa e la ilaha ast hussain.
Hussain IS Islam! that's it. he is the foundation of islam and the kalimah.
this is also the answer to aqdas' post that makes a false choice between hussain alaihisalaam and islam! only a diseased nasibi heart would offer such a choice!
Relax yar! Shias are BY DEFINITION out of Sunniyat. So what exactly is your problem here?
I can understand if it was Rabiul Awwal and someone linked Farooq sahab's video against wahabis and a wahabi cried 'but he kicks everyone out of Sunniyat'.
But seriously, you can't raise the 'Farooq saab kicks everyone out of Sunniyat' objection here!
Unless of course you're an aspiring stand up, in which case I love your wicked sense of humor - Farooq Razvi kicks everyone out of Sunniyat, EVEN Shias! love it!
Wanted to comment on your brilliant comment on the couplet, but Sherkhan beat me to it.
the she'yr hits the rafidi's raw nerve and makes him squeal in agony.
to take his mind off the painful smarting he gibbers about who said it
just look at those rafidi villians' faces - so revolting - jahalat and shaqawat written all over them.
nas'al Allahu ta'ala aafiyah
You are a 1st class idiot.
You didn't even listen to the clip. In the video, Allama Farooque Razvi clearly says that "hum zinda-e-javed ka mataam nahin karte" is a mis-attribution to Iqbal. Instead he attributes this verse to mir murshid of AlaHazrat, Mawlana Fakhruddin.
Have you no shame? When you dine with swines, what better can be expected of you? No wonder, why Allama Farooque Razvi's hard-hitting expose of rafizi dogs has roiled you so much.
first of all you reference a biased barelwi scholar like farooq razwi saab who puts people out of sunniyat all the time if they don't agree 100% with the ulema of bareilly. secondly that poem which is referenced in the screenshot is not even by iqbal but nasibis like to quote it all over the internet and attribute it to allama sahib as a fraud.
to quote your belowed khadim rizvi sahib, 'peeR aur hai aur dard andar se koi aur hai!"
please bring a nass qati' to show saying alayhisalam for imam ali or hasnany is haram or a bidat from a sunni source not from barelwi sharif unless its ala hazrat himself. baaqi sab dukaandari chalaa rehein hain hazrat mufti e azam hind kay baad. (not including huzoor mufti e azam in this)
( if you can corrupt names of our scholars and buzurgs like your langotia yaar aqdas does too we can do the same to you but we wont)
i checked on the link you gave. to quote you from the other thread: its not qati' evidence youve produced. just the opinion of a maulvi. he's not infallible. on top of that you already admitted that saying alahisalam is an accepted opinion amongst sunnis. so why do you not let those who want to do it, do it?
if you are new here, dig around the forum. just because you turned 17 last year and opening your eyes to the world doesn't mean everyone has been sleeping.
i guess imam bukhari must have been a rafidi then as he uses alaihi-salam after the names of ahle bait! that's like saying we won't praise Moses because it is a trait of Jews! Hai oh naseebiyo!
that is a rafidi trait, even though ulama have said it is not impermissible per se, but we avoid it.
just like we do not wear black in these 10 days, even though wearing black is sunnah.
maybe. maybe not. we will discover as we go along.
this is a sunni forum. bahut jald rang ud raha hai, aur andar se siyaah rifD zahir ho raha hai.
the colour is showing. and soon you will give me an opportunity to kick you out. until then, enjoy your stay.
If that's the one by the minhaji, I deleted it. Don't want to promote them. Tahir ul hasn't repented for Wembley.