Nabi Alayi Salam Rebuked by Allah?

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  1. Mohamed shaksi

    Mohamed shaksi New Member

    Yes this is brelwism of today.

    He can wear it due to changing of Urf. Now please you brelwi go do bad dua dirt and dust on me for stating this, scold me and prove me doing be Adabi. No better prove me a Kafir because I made it halal to wear a tie, or according to brelwis a cross.

    Fyi a tie today doesn't have the same hukm as it did in the time of Ahmad Rida Khan.

    From now on I refuse to call myself a Brelwi. Thank you people for that.
     
  2. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    He has a cross around his neck...
     
  3. Mohamed shaksi

    Mohamed shaksi New Member

    "Aur itaab Kare"...

    Unfortunately the people here wish dirt and dust on the face of Sheikh Abdul Haqq Muhaddith Dehlavi. Its be Adabi of him to state such about a noble Prophet according the creed sunniportiyyah.

    Peace and Blessings be upon them.
     
  4. Mohamed shaksi

    Mohamed shaksi New Member

    درقرآن مجید بآدم نسبت عصیان کردہ وعتاب نمودہ مبنی برعلوشان قرب اوست ومالک رامیرسدکہ برترک اولی وافضل اگرچہ بحد معصیت نرسد بہ بندئہ خود ہرچہ خواہد بگوید وعتاب نماید دیگری رامجال نہ کہ تواندگفت واینجا ادبی ست کہ لازم ست رعایت آن وآن انیست کہ اگر از جانب حضرت بہ بعض انبیا کہ مقربان درگاہ اند عتابی وخطابی رودیا از جانب ایشان کہ بندگان خاص اویند تواضعی وذلتی وانکساری صادر گرددکہ موہم نقص بود مارانبایدکہ دران دخل کینم وبدان تکلم نمائیم.

    ''أشعۃ اللمعات''، کتاب الإیمان، الفصل الأول، ج۱، ص۴۳.

    قرآن مجید میں جو حضرت آدم علیہ السلام کی طرف عصیاں ونافرمانی کی نسبت کی اور ان پر عتاب فرمایا وہ حضرت آدم علیہ السلام کے خدائے تعالی کے مقرب ہونے اور ان کی بلندی شان پر مبنی ہے اور مالک کو حق پہنچتا ہے کہ اولیٰ وافضل چیز کے ترک کرنے پر اگرچہ وہ معصیت کی حد تک نہ پہنچے اپنے بندے کو جو کچھ چاہے کہے اور عتاب کرے دوسرے کسی کو کچھ بھی کہنے کی مجال نہیں ہے یہ نہایت ادب کا مقام ہے جس کا لحاظ ضروری ہے اور وہ ادب یہ ہے کہ اگر خداوندتعالیٰ کی جانب سے بعض انبیاء علیہم السلام پر جو اس کی درگاہ کے مقرب ہیں عتاب نازل ہو یا ان کی طرف خطا کی نسبت کی گئی ہو یا خود ان انبیاء (علیہم السلام )کی طرف سے جو کہ اس کے خاص بندے ہیں تواضع ،عاجزی وانکساری کی بات صادر ہو جس سے ان میں نقص وعیب کا وہم پڑتا ہو ، تو ہم بندوں کو اس میں دخل دینے یا اسے زبان پر لانے کی ہرگز اجازت نہیں۔
     
  5. Mohamed shaksi

    Mohamed shaksi New Member

    I cant believe the ignorance displayed here.

    If you would have stated there are other interpretation possible . But the question was completely different. He asked for its Hukm and in this case my answer is correct.

    The fact is Allah is His Rabb, and the most beloved is His Magluq. He can reprimand him as He wish, it is not regarded as Suu Adab, but it is the Shaan of the Holy Prophet that he was attended by His Rabb over matters which were not even regarded as a fault according to our norms. It shows the utmost high norms they have to abide to which no one can come near to. Even the passage of Qurtubi does not make your stance as Qat'i but its an another interpretation.

    Even according the creed of Asha'irah and Maturidiyyah this stance isn't against Aqaaid. Rather I remembered reading this in an Aqaaid book.

    Anyway good to see you people's intellect and (Takfiri) Muta'asib style. This is why Maslak is dying by such clowns doing bad dua others over matters which aren't even against sunni Aqaaid.
     
  6. sunni_92

    sunni_92 New Member

    Hamza Yusuf shouldn't have used the word 'rebuked' ; It is bad adaab!

    Rebuke meaning taken from Cambridge University
    rebuke

    speak angrily to someone because you disapprove of what they have said or done:




    Refer to the clip above where 'Menk' says disparaging words against our Master ﷺ on the same verse, beautifully answered by Sh Ehsan Qadiri
     
  7. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member



    At 1.20 Hamza Yusuf says that the Allah rebuked Aaqa ('alayhi salat wa salam)

    This was about 8 months ago during a Jumah khutbah.
     
  8. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    Mohamed shaksi, change your name here, for posting, and remove "shaksi".
     
  9. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    May Allah Ta'ala raise your respect in this world and the next just because of your writing of these words!

    Salla Allahu 'alayhi wasallam!
     
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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yes you are wrong. you do not have adab. you are an ignorant boor - who doesn't know the meaning of words he uses.
    better go and read shifa sharif than strutting your suu-adab.

    may your face be sprayed with dust and dirt.

    never say such a thing if you value your iman. wayHak! if you had said 'friendly reproach' it would have been better. 'itaab' does not mean reprimand.

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    qurtubi in his tafsir, 22/72.

    fourth: our scholars have said: that which ibn umm maktum did would be poor etiquette (suu adab) if he knew that the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam was busy with someone else, and he was hoping for their becoming muslims. however Allah ta'ala loving reproaches him so that you don't break the hearts of the ahl al-suffah (people of the porch), or that a poor muslims is better than a wealthy kafir; and that it is better to attend to a muslim even if he were a poor man and is better than others even if they people of wealth and influence.

    however, the Prophet's sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam attention to the wealthy [infidels] was in the hope of their becoming muslims; yet, in saying this there was Wisdom in it...

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    fifth: ibn zayd said: indeed the the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam frowned and turned away from ibn umm maktum, even though he had signed to the person who was leading him to hold him back; ibn umm maktum shoved him and insisted on speaking to the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam until he was informed. in this case, it is a sort of disturbing him and forcing upon him.

    yet, Allah ta'ala said referring to His Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam: "he frowned and turned away", in a tense that refers to a third person; this is out of the extreme honour bestowed upon the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

    Allah ta'ala did not say: "YOU frowned and YOU turned away".

    and then immediately thereafter Allah ta'ala addresses the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam in the first person and says: "and what do you know..."

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    sub'HanAllah! Allah ta'ala does not say: "i am reprimanding you" "i warn you" "you are rebuked" and such things; rather, to show the immense honour He has bestowed upon His Prophet Allah ta'ala refers to this in a third person...

    but alas! uncouth humans go about blabbering that "Allah ta'ala 'rebuked'" the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam"
    o filthy man who says thus: look at your stupid face in the mirror and fear the day:

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    astaghfirullah. nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.

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  11. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    You said,
    "Allah Ta'ala can take his beloved as He wish, reprimand them for things how He desires."

    Please change the wording and retract, it is not acceptable in the English urf
     
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  12. Mohamed shaksi

    Mohamed shaksi New Member

    Allah Ta'ala can take his beloved as He wish, reprimand them for things how He desires.

    If the one said it with the intent to denigrate it will render him a Kafir.

    If merely based on Akhbaar he should not have discussed this unless for Ilm.

    There are instances that Allah Ta'ala reprimanded His beloved. This has many Hikmah. There is nothing wrong stating such as it shows they are His beloved and He is their Rabb.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.
     
  13. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    What is the ruling on a person who says Allah rebuked the prophet peace be upon him in Surah Abasa?
     

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