Nahj al Balagha by Hazrat Imam Ali

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  1. Ibn Amin

    Ibn Amin Active Member

    As-salamu 'alaykum

    Often people ask this question, that if a book is supposed to be from a good person, we should study it. But, Tawrat and Injil is (really, and not just supposed) sent down by Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, so should not we study it - for the purpose of learning? :)

    I would say that Nahj al-Balagha is a good book to have in the brief case in order to refute the shi'as. A lot of things in the books goes totally the shi'a 'aqaid. And the english version (available online) of it contains all kinds of lies attributed to Mawla Ali (karam Allahu wajhahu l-karim) that is not even in the arabic version.

    If you know arabic then try to compare the following: (arabic) (english)

    According to the book, mawla 'Ali (karam Allahu wajhah) wrote to Amir Mu'awiya (radi Allah 'anhu)

    يَا مُعَاوِيَةُ، لَئِنْ نَظَرْتَ بِعَقْلِكَ دُونَ هَوَاكَ لَتَجِدَنِّي أَبْرَأَ النَّاسِ مِنْ دَمِ عُثْمانَ،

    This is translated as:

    O Mu'awiya! I am sure that if you give up self-aggrandizement and self-interest, if you forsake the idea of being alive only to personal profits and pleasures, if you cease to be actuated solely by selfishness and if you ponder over the incident leading to the murder of Uthman, you will realize that I cannot at all be held responsible for the affair and I am the least concerned with the episode. But it is a different thing that you create all these false rumours and carry on this heinous propaganda to gain your ulterior motives. Well you may do whatever you like

    I can only repeat, la'natullahi 'ala al-kadhibin

    Also consider this (from the same link)

    وَإنَّمَا الشُّورَى لِلْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالاَْنْصَارِ، فَإِنِ اجْتَمَعُوا عَلَى رَجُل وَسَمَّوْهُ إِمَاماً كَانَ ذلِكَ لله رِضىً، فَإِنْ خَرَجَ عَنْ أَمْرِهِمْ خَارِجٌ بِطَعْن أَوْبِدْعَة رَدُّوهُ إِلَى مَاخَرَجَ منه، فَإِنْ أَبَى قَاتَلُوهُ عَلَى اتِّبَاعِهِ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ،

    It is said very clearly that the right of shu'ra belongs to muhajirin and ansar, and if they appoint one as imam (so imama is not divinely given), then this is the mercy of the Lord, and that it is not allowed to go against it etc.

    But the shayatin mistranslate this and makes tawilat that "even if we suppose bla bla then bla bla" etc.

    I had a debate with a shi'a where I took this statement and replaced the words muhajirin and ansar with ahl al-bayt and asked him to translate it. After doing it I showed him the (wrong) shi'a translation, also with the words replaced with ahl al-bayt. He quickly started sending la'nat over the sunnis for making mistranslating in order to hide the imama of the ahl al-bayt and bla bla. When I made clear with him that this sentence was a clear proof of imama/khilafa I showed him the "real" pages (english and arabic, linked to above) and asked him to send the same kind of la'nat over the shi'as. But as soon as he saw that he had been tricked he took his things and ran away, clearly demonstrating that he was not a fellow of the truth but an 'abd of his hawa.

    My replaced text was (in someone's gonna use it)

    ِإنَّمَا الْاَمْرُ لِبَنِى هَاشِم ، فَإِنِ اجْتَمَعُوا عَلَى رَجُل وَسَمَّوْهُ إِمَاماً كَانَ ذلِكَ لله رِضىً، فَإِنْ خَرَجَ عَنْ أَمْرِهِمْ خَارِجٌ بِطَعْن أَوْبِدْعَة رَدُّوهُ إِلَى مَاخَرَجَ مِنْهُ، فَإِنْ أَبَى قَاتَلُوهُ عَلَى اتِّبَاعِهِ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، وَوَلاَّهُ اللهُ مَا تَوَلَّى.

    Have fun

    Allah Hafiz
    Ibn Amin
  2. burningmoon

    burningmoon Guest

    Its the book of shias, i havent heard any sunni using it for reference. had it been truly written by Hazrat Ali radhiallahu ta'la anhu, then many great sunni scholars would obviously make it a book of reference.
  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  4. mkahn133

    mkahn133 New Member

    as-Salamu 'Aleykum wa Rehmatullahi :

    There is a certain section in a CD by Shaykh al-Yaqoubi (Hafidhahullah) regarding this book.

    I can't remeber the name , though!

    I'll get back to you on that one!

    Wassalamu 'Alaykum

  5. :s1:

    I have seen this book in Islamic bookstores in the UK in an English translation,I think by Leila Bakhtiar--who I believe is of Persian origins--but have never bought it as I've heard that it is not 100% certain that all of its contents are by Mawla e Kainaat :as:. Is this true?

    Should a Sunni read this book--after all it is supposed to be by Mawla Ali and we are the real Mawlais!

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