The Habaib have husn adh-dhann, and do not read Urdu as far as I know. As for al-Awlaqi, he is a jihadi salafi as far as one can tell, though his "website" may not be his in reality. al-Awlaqi is a Yemeni.
Don't all of the Arab visiting scholars get on well with Deobandi ulemas? I mean they do look Sunni because they do Milad Shareef and so on but they always have programmes with Deobandi ulemas don't they? Another thing. A lot of Yemenis like Awlaki but I heard he is Salafi. Is that true.
By KS do you mean me? If so, then i would want to say that i have not mentioned the Habaib in a negative way. So please do not try involving my name or my 'sidekicks'.
Wadood, it is not as bad as you make it out to be, based on experience with my teachers who reside there. This will be my last post, wa `afwan minkum. Was-Salam
The arabs are not aware of the D-B problem. They get labelled as "sullah-kullis" if they try to solve the problem by their chosen way "love, love, mercy, mercy, mawlid, mawlid, da'wa da;wa", but in the homegrown arab way, not the modernist hamzayusufite way, that ticks off abu bilal and others. First of all, before we started sending our kids from the west to Tarim, why did we not go an find out the situation over there. We throw our youth to the wolves and then we cry and beat our chests in pain when the youth come back brainwashed. Sorry for the pun, but even though the Habaib are Sunni, the famous ones as Habib Ali and Habib Umar have surrounded them with ahl al-bid'a who are seen to have directly or indirectly preyed on Sunni youth from the west. It is our mistake. We should have looked into a place before setting foot there, unfortunate for dar al-mustafa. The habaib live in such a brutal salafi environment. We must understand the degree to which wahhabism and salafism exists in yemen from Ibb to Ma'arib to Mukalla. It is entrenched! To some of the habaib, deobandis, who claim to be sufis, are like janna compared to what they face, and so they take in deobandis, and in turn brainwashing our youth into becoming "sullah kullis".
Sidi Wadood, you make it sound as if whoever goes to Tarim becomes a TJ member. On what basis should people stop going to Tarim?
another point that abu bilal is emphasizing is this joining hands with the ahl al-bid'a in the spirit of love, mercy etc But I do not know how the da'wa comes into here, as the habaib focus on da'wa to convert the salafis back to sunnis. Perhaps da'wa to love "mankind'? humans in general? as one big humanity? I have seen Habib Ali join hands with the rawafiD in the Gulf in the spirit of love, and mercy, and even with the salafiyya as you saw his pictures with oudah etc Obviously the wahhabis would not join in the mawlids, but the rawafiD would. I guess it is freaking out on the part of abu bilal and others as they are being bombarded with "mercy, mercy, love, love, mawlid, mawlid programs" done by hamzayusufites, joining hands with perennialists, rawafiD, orientalists, deobandis, TJs, wahhabis, salafis, ikhwanis, modernists on deenport and all over the UK and here in North America. I agree with abu bilal though. I have many things to say about Indonesia, but I will save them for some other day.
What suleimanbinmuslim is saying is completely correct, however, the post is about TJ influence. We cannot deny the fact that the Habaib believe that the TJs and deobandis are Sunnis. Remember the deobandis are good friends with the Habaib. Those low-life two faced hypocrites stand happily with the Habaib during their mawlid qiyams. No one can deny the fact that the TJs (actually deobandis) use the mosques of the Habaib in Hadramaut nowadays. The number of yemeni converts to TJs has also increased. I have seen this since the past decade! I have known how bangladeshi tableeghis walk around in rural yemen, jordan, syria, preaching arabs to join them in raiwind or nizamuddin in delhi india. And some of the Habaib, like the da'wa intensive Habib Umar and Habib Ali having a good opinion of them do give the TJs a lot of room. Habib Ali mentioned on TV (while refuting salafis) that, and I am not quoting exactly, even the tableeghi jamat has sufi connection as shaykh muhammad zakariyya kandehlawi was of sufi background Some of these well known Habaib honestly do believe that the TJs are sufi background people, and they say the same about ikhwan al-muslimeen as well. But, we know the fact that TJs are as wahhabi as the salafiyya I personally know of the sentiments that Habib Ali at least has for the wahhabis in general, though these are not the same as those he has for deobandis/TJs We should instead establish a seminaries for our youth in our areas, instead of sending them to yemen and complaining. There might be many other Sunni schools around the earth that will have hidden fitnah in them. The best policy is to tell the youth there is danger out there, and therefore remain here and don't go to tarim. Next, we could ourselves go to tarim and take it over, if the danger to our youth is that strong from yemen. I am sure the Habaib would not mind having pure lovers of 'ala Hadrat in their midst in the hundreds. We could eliminate the deobandis/wahhabis from there.
It is not because of TJ influence. It is because of the Hadrami to Saudi immigration, then yemen refused to fight in the 'iraq vs. kuwait war, so saudi expelled many hadarimah and they brought some ideolgies back. Habib `Umar and his teachers and students are targets for the wahhabiyyah in terms of both violence and slander. Just see some of their forums (even the "Hadramawt" forum) to get a taste of this.
Below is the belief of KS and his sidekicks on sunnitalk. Though much of what they say is true, and thier entire concern is genuine and correct, but there are still some things incorrect. For example, they say, the senior "habaib" in indonesia has become salafi due to TJ penetration. Actually, he became a salafi, due to wahhabi salafi beliefs as he was an ignorant. There are also habaibs in indonesia that have converted to rafidi twelver. But that was due to the da'wa of the Iranian consulate and ambassador over there, and also because they were jahils. Another idea being put forward is that wahhabis have taken over a masjid in Tarim. Well, Habib Kadhim was beaten up as well. Habib Umar cried on that. And, wahhabis have always been in Tarim, and outside Tarim everywhere. Its not a "new" penetration. Saudi wahhabi da'wa is not far off from them. This has nothing to do with TJ penetration. There are many other things incorrect, that I will leave. Also, I met a senior Bangladeshi TJ in California, asking him about Mawlids. He told me one word, "bid'a"
