whether nawaz is careless that he does not reference properly, or that he does not know how to do referencing, or whether he deliberately omits key elements in references as a stalling technique, i do not know. see, if you have famous and oft-referred books such as bukhari or radd al-muhtar or ihya ulum al-din etc. one can quickly find them out even without page numbers or other pointers (such as number of hadith or listing number, volume no. etc.). in other works, volume and page no. are good indicators. also such referencing depends on the structure of the book - if it is organised as chapters or topics or arranged chronologically, one can find it based on where the quote might probably figure. in any case, if it is in a printed (and available) book, in sha'Allah, i will be able to find it - even if i have to scan it page by page. usually, i can find the quoted passage, with just the name of the book (or in most cases, just the author's name), alHamdu-lillah. i write this because in my experience, nawaz's quotes are almost always out of context and need to be verified. and when he throws a reference, it is usually without proper pointers. the literal aspect of a red-herring. sometimes, he does mention references, but not without a sneer or in a condescending manner, such as: as i said, if there is a quote in a printed and available book - in sha'Allah, i will be able to find it even without references. but it takes time. i have a habit of mentioning precise pointers and additional information, in case the book has multiple editions. so imprecise references, will waste our time - and give time for nawaz (or people like him) to insist that they are right. ----- the above rant has nothing to do with my current break - as i got busy with other things. i found some time yesterday, and i said, let us check nawaz's quotes first. if i quoted, or translated like this nawaz would skin me alive. but you know, he has the privilege of doing as he likes without being held accountable - and if you point it out, it is like water off a duck's back. i urge readers to pay attention to the clauses missed, and how this kind of translations distort the picture. also, this very quote refutes nawaz and calls him bidati - but what does he care?