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Discussion in 'Bickering' started by kattarsunni, Sep 18, 2011.
Tahir Sahib is working for unity with 'believers':
fiaz ul hasan is a jahil pir. He is a jahil man teaching tasawwuf. He is not a scholar.
seems like an interesting event with an impressive list of attendees. One thing though--I'm surprised to see the name of Shaykh Fiazul Hassan Qadri as being one of the attendees. He's the founder of Takbeer TV and, on TV at least, vehemently opposed to the Tafdilis. Surprised to see him sharing a stage with people whose views he doesn't agree with.
Maybe he wont go or maybe behind the scenes they're all the same and willing to sell their principles for a bit of publicity!
No wonder so many people are so sceptical of so many religious leaders today...
Can he deliver a lecture to us in English please on the nuances of hadith sciences and methodology that his students have butchered; or perhaps the usul of tafsir.
I'd love to see him deliver an academic lecture in English. I'd gladly even pay by Paypal to view any such video.
We all know how the great mufassar's Arabic is.
Biography of Mufakkir e Islam
Mufakkir al-Islam Shaykh al-Sayyid Dr. Abdul-Qadir Shah al-Jilani
Born in 1935 in the region of Sandu Sayyida Sharif, Rawalpindi, Pakistan, al-Sayyid Abdul-Qadirs genealogy traces back to the great saint, Ghawth al-Azam Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani through 22 Links.
Al-Shaykh al-Sayyid Abdul-Qadir completed a PhD from Madina University in Saudi Arabia, a PhD from Birmingham University and an LLB from Punjab University. He is a mufassir, muhaddith and faqih specialising in ilm al-tafsir, usul al-tafsir, philosophy and logic among other disciplines. He is fluent in several languages including English, Arabic, Urdu and Persian.
Al-Shaykh al-Sayyid Abdul-Qadir has opened a number of institutions teaching the classical tradition sciences that form part of the mainstream moderate Islamic education such as Dar al-Ulum Qadria Jilania at Tench Bhatta, Rawalpindi and Dar al-Ulum Qadria Jilania in London, UK.
He is a guide of the spiritual Sufi path of the Qadri order and has thousands of disciples all over the world.
Al-Shaykh Abdul-Qadir leads the largest annual procession in the UK to commemorate the birth of the Holy Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa alihi wa sallam).
He currently presides over the Markazi Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a organisation.
these are important questions and they should answer them.
Try asking this person or his mureeds for anything or questioning them on his qualifications and credibility. It is KNOWN in Pakistan, that his disgrace, bishop tahirul padri's mureeds even threaten people's lives and make threats to harm people and their families if this shaytan is ever questioned or his fraud exposed.
Sadly, I think that may even be the case with this person who calls himself Abdul Qadir Jilani and his mureeds.
I don't think he has a PhD. Let them say which year his PhD was granted and it's very easy to dig out who was awarded PhD from the university in that year.
This is the reason I asked for his qualifications earlier.
People like this person embark on their "careers" in Islam based on absolute lies, and after 10 or so years of repeating those lies and a few thousand jahil mureeds (in both deen and duniya), they are proclaimed as PhD's and workers of karaamaat and weightlifting champions who have lifted a 160 kilos.
I personally know of at least 2 other people who have such jahil mureeds and call themselves as "scholars" with qualifications from across the Islamic world, when in fact they are outright liars. They just pose for a photo op with any reputed scholar, and three years down the line, they parade themselves as his greatest and favorite student who received special favors from him.
Why doesn't he display his PhD on the wall?
As for the traditional ijazas, I suggest you people wait another 300 years before Mr. Abdul Qadir Jilani or his students pay heed to your requests.
This conman is a "scholar" and "Imam-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat" just because he said so.
And I say again, their usage of the "Sayyid" name is nothing but a marketing gig to emotionally blackmail the masses of Sunnis. Sayyids with dignity don't flaunt their Sayyidness and don't cash in on it, even if they are sinners.
tahirul padri is only a bigger conman than this person.
REAL scholars show humility not arrogance like these characters. If a REAL scholar is taken to task like this, he will show his true humility. It is not below a REAL scholar to say who his teachers were or what sciences he has mastered from which institution in which year.
They can not make their mind up if Ph.D was from Oxford or Madina Uni.
If any student/follower/admirer of Prof Tahirul Qadri and/or Peer Syed Abdal Qadir has some information on these questions, kindly reply here.
1. The website
says that Peer Sahab was born on 14th Dec 1935. Then it goes on to say that Peer Sahab is a great:
1)Mufassir e Quran
4)Master in Ilm e tafsir
5)Usool e Tafsir
6)Philosophy, logic ETC
Is it possible to get the names of the shuyookh ( teachers ) of peer sahab in All the mentioned sciences of Islam? I mean his chain leading to Sayyedina Ibn Abbas rd in Tafsir, The chain to Imams of hadith, The chain to Imam al Azam Abu Hanifa rd in fiqh etc?
If it is impossible then, can the names of the direct and first teachers of Peer Sahab be provided , so that the further chain be found out?
The website also says that before Peer Syed Abdal Qadir Sahab came to UK , the sunnis were mixing with Wahabis and praying behind them.
My Question : (To the students of Syed Sahab ) Does Syed Sahab still consider prayer behind Wahabiis as Invalid?
My Question : ( To the students of Prof Tahirul Qadri Sahab): What is the stand taken by Prof Sahab on this issue?
lol these two both have dougy aqeedahs...
These are the only two schlors who claim to be sunnis and always kick of new issue and fitna within Ahle Sunnah....
Syed IRfan hussain shah is enough for 100s of these groups... this shows the weakness of Minhaj and Walthmstow lot... they can only shout and claim we have 1000s mureed etc....
Errrmmm, with the greatest respect to the Punjabis and Kashmiris, there's a difference between mufakkir-e-Islam (اسم فاعل من فكَّرَ) and mufakkar-e-Islam (مفعول من فَكَّرَ).
This gentleman is neither, especially after he shows who he truly is by joining hands with the padri.
As is stated in ahadith, a man is on the path of his friends. Their alliance only proves what I have been doubting about this person for a very long time.
Tahir then spoke about the different fitnas which are dividing the ahl assunah wal jam'mat and how this unity would benefit us all. They said that we should become protectors of each other, ie, Markazi Jam'at e Ahle Sunnat should be the muhafiz of Minhaj ul Qur'an and vise versa.
They also presented Mufakar e Islam with some of their book as a gift, which Mufakar e islam accepted by kissing each book and placing it on the eyes.
After food both giants of the Ahl e Sunnah walked down the stairs holding hands and made their exit.
Two major fitnahs in the Ahlus Sunnah sit together!