pir abdul qadir walthamstow UK Arrival

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  1. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

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  2. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran




    MOD (aH):

    we only criticize the opinions of shah sahib that are not compatible with ahlu's sunnah.

    we should not pounce on his personal affairs. what is the benefit of a media report, that too buried decades ago, in this regard? was shah sahib convicted? if yes, then why is he allowed in the UK? is a mere accusation by a kafir reporter enough for you to cite it against a muslim and disparage him?

    'every muslim is haram upon other muslims: his blood, his wealth and his honor.'

    in spite of the lack of moderation of shah sahib in some issues, he still remains a muslim. and you will have to withhold your tongue, even if he doesn't concerning saHabah - two wrongs do not make a right.

    i presume you live in the UK; but please don't forget islamic values and culture.
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  3. Abu Aleshba

    Abu Aleshba Active Member

    With all due respect brother, there may be other valid reasons not to attend but this cant surely be one of them.

    Is there no benefit in 'Ziyarat' of auliyah? Or benefiting in sitting in the same gathering as an Aashiq e Rasool Sallalho Alaihi Wasalam?

    I can only speak of one of the guests on the list.

    Or is this the age old Ulema v Sufi thing?

    On every issue Im on the side of this site and you brother. However, I have seen how the habit of criticism has set in and has even extended beyond the contentious issues. I was wandering if sooner or later a personality close to my heart would come under the target sight.

    It is possible many scholars are not aware of issues. People talk about Mohyuddin Hazarvi Sahib returning to his old views after the manchester debate. Could someone provide audio or video evidence? JazakAllah.
  4. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    With all due respect the list that you have given, most of them are peers and not really scholars. Not even worth attending.

    Syed Riaz Shah Sahib was good but since he messed up and attacked Sayiduna Amir E Muawiyyah RA he has lost his importance. Sayyid Khizar Shah Sahib is known as a poet amongst scholars and not a Scholar.

    It would of been good if scholars like Syed Hashmi Mian Sahib or Allama Saeed Asad Sahib turned up.
  5. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Full safety? You sure after the history of Mufakkir e Islam and his murids!
  6. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

    After reading the replies it seems a lot of people seem to have issues with Syed Abdul Qadir Shah Saheb.

    So I suggest, if any of you really do have major sincere concerns then address them at the conference in Birmingham on Sunday where you can relay these in person in full safety in front of the following personalities (who will also be in attendance Inshallah):

    Shaykh Sayyid Hashim-ud-Din al-Jilani (Baghdad Sharif)
    Shaykh Sayyid Jalal-ud-Din Jilani (Golra Sharif)
    Shaykh Naqib-ur-Rahhman Naqshbandi (Eidgah Sharif)
    Sahibzada Haji Fazl Karim (President Sunni Ittihad Council)
    Allama Sayyid Riyaz Husain Shah (Secretary General Jamat-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat Pakistan)
    Muhaddith-e-Pakistan Shaykh-ul-Hadith Allama Muhammad Sharif Rizwi (Multan, Pakistan)
    Shaykh Muhammad Ibrahim Shah (Bhera Sharif, Pakistan)
    Shaykh Sayyid Khizr Husain Sialwi (Gujrat, Pakistan)
    Mufti Muhammad Iqbal Chishti (Lahore, Pakistan)
    Shaykh Sayyid Jamil-ur-Rahman (Kamokei Sharif, Pakistan)
    Allama Khan Muhammad Qadiri (Lahore, Pakistan)
    Allama Muhammad Farooq Saeeā€™di (Multan, Pakistan)
    Shaykh Sayyid Abid Husayn Gardezi (Lahore, Pakistan)
    Allama Abdul Qadir Qadiri (Wah Cantt, Pakistan)
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    it's good that they've taken your advise on board and corrected the spelling now.

    in sha Allah, they also become Sunni and give up on their misguidance.
  8. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Aqdas is absolutely correct with this one. We implement this in South Africa and it works. There is absolutely no escape for a munafiq with a good one. This is one of the ways in which TQ was exposed in S.A.
  9. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    Syed Irfan Shah Sahib might not even know that Mohyuddin Hazarvi was invited by Pir Sahib. Their is proof, pictures and videos of Mohyuddin Hazarvi on Youtube/Facebook where he is doing a lecture at Eidgah Sharif.

    Not only that, even Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib was present. Pir Naqeeb ur Rehman Sahib attend events with him as well. When its already on the net, their is no need hiding it from the forum. Its about time mureeds speak up against their peers and tell them what they are doing wrong.
  10. Abu Aleshba

    Abu Aleshba Active Member


    Im sure Syed Irfan Shah Sahib will be able to share their concerns in person with Pir Naqeeb ur Rehman Sahib if they havent already done so. Pir Sahib are currently on a tour of the UK. Last year Irfan Shah Sahib invited Pir Sahib and/or Sahibzada Hassan Sahib to their home. I recall seeing Sahibzada Hassan Sahib set off for Shah Sahibs home at the end of one mehfil.

    Shah Sahib seem to know Pir Sahib quite well. These concerns should be raised in private if possible rather than on a forum.

  11. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    Good Posts Brother Aqdas & Naqshbandi Jamatti. I think Pir Syed Munnawar Hussain Shah Sahib Jamatti are sincere when they say they don't believe what this lot believe. But lets not forget he is promoting them to the maximum and they are using his platform. His mureed Muzammil Shah is the worse one out of the lot and Pir Syed Munnawar Shah Sahib say nothing to him what so ever. This Khatmenabuwat Conference will hardly be on Khatmenabuwat. The whole conference will be on Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib and the debate. These peers are causing the damage, if you don't agree with them why you promoting them? Why are you a part of them? Same with Pir Naqeeb ur Rehman of Eidgah Shareef, he invited Mohyuddin Hazarvi to his event.

    Pir Habib ur Rehman Mahboobi of Dhangri Shareef last week or the week before had a go at Pir Syed Hashmi Mian Sahib. Hazrat Hashmi Mian refuted Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib and company on Haqchaaryaar. After his speech Pir Habib ur Rehman Sahib said you should be uniting the two syeds rather adding fuel. Unite? Does Pir Habib ur Rehman think Pir Sayyid Irfan Shah Sahib will unite with Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib like Pir Auladdin Siddiqui Sahib? Sayyid Irfan Shah Sahib have a problem with him because of his aqeedah and not on mureeds or pir publicity.

    What difference did that reconciliation make between Pir Auladdin Siddiqui Sahib & Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib? No difference, they are against each other once again.
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    the most dangerous enemy is the enemy within.

    why did the deobandis not leave taqlid and claim to be sufis? so that their wahabism would remain hidden. if they did what the ahle hadith did and abandoned the 4 imams and attacked imam abu hanifa and the sufis, the sunnis would have spotted them a mile off.

    but, they wanted to be the enemy within.

    similarly, these pirs are the enemies within. if, right at the outset, they attacked sahaba and proclaimed tafdil al-shaykhayn is an optional aqida and ghazzali, ash'ari, bukhari were all anti ahlu'l bayt, even the common sunni would have spotted these rafidis from a mile off. instead, they have polluted sunni stages for many decades and when they knew they have now got a sunni following that will not denounce anything they say, the wolves come out of their sheep clothing.

    may Allah destroy the rafidis and haters of sayyidina mu'awiya radiyAllahu ta'ala anhu and give strength to the sunni lions that have exposed and are continually exposing these rejected people.

    whoever hates mu'awiya is a dog. these people will rot in hell for attacking the sahaba.

    long live ahlu's sunnah.
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  13. If you go to pakistan you can see the influence of shia beliefs on the sunni masses and even on some maulvis. I went to someone's chehlum (forty day after death khatam) and after doing beautiful things like quran recital and naat sharif and manqabat including the kalam of tajdaar e golra i was shocked that during his dua the maulana who was a sunni said "14 maasoomeen kay sadaqay".
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  14. It is sad how this group has left the beliefs of ahle sunnat in a few issues. But pir sayyid munawwar shah sahib is the great grandson of amir e millat hazrat pir sayyid jamaat ali shah sahib who were a great wali so if he says he doesnt have the same beliefs as the tafzeeli crew then we should believe him unlrss proven otherwise. He is a sayyid whose lineage is undoubtedly true. I believe his elder half brother pir sayyid afzal shah sahib jamaati is a wali and a top scholar. I wonder what his views are on pir abdul qadir shah sahib and his crew?
  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    i think he did it in irony.

    m.ali, your post once again highlights the need for a sunni organisational constitution.
  16. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    I like Brother Aqdas post! He has covered everything I think. I myself do not understand the need of so many mureeds turning up to welcome a Pir. It was started off by Qibla Pir Auladdin Siddiqui Sahib. Then Pir Naqeeb ur Rehman Sahib followed and now Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib.

    On Noor TV they actually advertise saying Pir Sahib is coming on this day to the UK from this airport, all mureeds turn up to welcome him. Takbeer TV lot do the same but don't relay it on TV.

    I don't know about all the rest but I know Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib Molvis want a very big turn out on the airport to welcome him. Molvi Nisar Baig was saying it yesterday on the phone to someone that did you see the welcome? It was amazing, so many people turned up!

    Its a total waste of time, if the mureeds like their Pir Sahib. I think they should go but behave like humans! What is the point of doing really loud zikar on a airport? Its just to show the non Muslims.

    As for Imam E Ahlesunnat, this title looks like a joke when used for him. Brother Ghulam is not his follower so I hope in future he won't use this title for him. I know one particular Sunni Scholar who calls the Chura Sharif Peers Ghareeb Nawaz!

    Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib has caused so much fitnah in the UK that it is unbelievable. On Sunday in the Khatmenabuwat Conference people like Syed Riaz Hussain Shah are invited as well. Funny enough the person organizing the event is Pir Munnawwar Hussain Shah Sahib Jamatti. He has been told about Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib and co beliefs. In return he said I don't believe this, I am only with him on Khatmenabuwat! Pir Munnawwar Hussain Jamatti has gave Mohyuddin Hazarvi guy a place in the Sunni Mashaikh Ulema Council in Pakistan, Mohyuddin Hazarvi sons are his mureeds.

    Just to finish off, all these guys are a disgrace to Sunnis and giving us a bad name.

    The Pir of Mohra Sharif, Pir Haroon Rashid recently called Sayiduna Amir E Muawiyyah RA a Munafiq (ASTAGFIRULLAH). When picked up on this by Sunni Scholars, his mureed has replied on Youtube and has openly attacked Sayiduna Amir E Muawiyyah.


    He says he worked against Islam etc and whenever used his name said Amir E Muawiyyah Sahab or Janab Amir E Muawiyyah! Do now people see what these guys are doing? They have no shame left in them what so ever!
  17. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

  18. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    Brother naqshbandijamaati

    Next is Imam-e-Azam, Gaus-e-Azam, mujaddid-e-Azam, mufassir-e-azam, muhaddith-e-azam, mufti-e-azam, etc

    These titles can be gained by anyone who is apt at dividing sunnis and taking some away from the right path and creating confusion and mischief.
  19. this title thingy is getting beyond a joke!
    i always thought sufism was about killing one's nafs...not self-aggrandizement...

    "imam e ahle sunnat!!"
    i wonder what we will hear next...
  20. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    One can over-decorate this sub-standard 'vehicle' as much as they want, to the point of ugliness

    But it will NEVER match the quality, performance, comfort and the simplistic beauty of this baby - EVER

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