plural of elder

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    true. but, we were coming from translations mainly urdu/english and elder is kabeer or akbar interchangeably; hence the jump. also if you check in lisan al-arab and taj al-arus you will notice that akbar is used as a substitute (in the meaning of) kabeer/elder. however, if we are talking of correct and exact plurals in arabic, you are right.

    taj al-arus: plural of akbar is akaabir or akbaruun.

    also see surah al-an'am, v.123.

    the plural of kabir as kubaraa is found in surah al-aHzab, v.67.

    and in taj al-arus, there are a few more: kibaar (commonly used in urdu as well), kubbaaruun, makbuura'a.

    in lisan al-arab: feminine of akbar is kubraa; plural of kubraa is kubar as in surah al-mudatthir, v.35.

    i am yet to find akabireen.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2007
  2. Misbah al-Hidaya

    Misbah al-Hidaya Active Member

    Kabeer is Not the singular of Akabir or is akbar and akabireen is one of plural wazn of munthal afdhal's plural is afadhil etc...plural of kabeer is kubara just like adeeb plural udaba etc....please consult books on sarf and see the under the plurals of sift mushabba and also of jama aqsa when our akabireen have used the word 'akabireen' then they knew their sarf....
  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    another favourite mistake is alfaazoN for the plural of lafz [word]. the plural, words, is alfaaz.
  4. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    if am not wrong kuffar (كفار) and kaafiron (كافروں) are the plurals used in Urdu not kuffaron (كفاروں)
  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    ah'kaam (أحكام) with fath'ah is the plural of hukum (حكم) in Arabic, whereas ahkamaat is the plural of the same word hukum in Urdu.
    there are other similar words with different h'arakat;
    حَكَم with fat'ha on both 'ha and kaaf - arbitrator
    حِكَم (plural of حِكمَة )with kasrah on 'ha and fath'a on kaaf - wisdom
    Last edited: May 15, 2007
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    what about plural of hukm? it is ahkam. can we say ahkamat?
  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    are you on about kuffarun or kuffaroN?

    i am talking about the way we would say it in urdu, i.e.


    just as we would say ni'matoN for the plural of ni'mat​


    i am talking about the noon-gunna​

    <O:pi get the feeling you are talking about arabic rather than urdu</O:p
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    i was reading one of the periodicals the other day and saw the following and i think there was a mistake. it said kuffaroN

    kafir is singular
    kuffar is plural
    kuffaroN is a common mistake.

    is that right?
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this is common mistake found in regular speech. the plural of kabeer is akaabir, not akaabireen.

    just as the plural of elder is elders. not elderses.

    wa'llahu a'alam.

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