Qabeeh (named Jameel) Ahbash Fasiq Daall slanders the Prophet ﷺ

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  1. IbnTarim

    IbnTarim New Member

    response by Fayyad
     
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the entire book he presents various citations about how those who rose against mawla ali were wrong. sub'HanAllah! does any sunni disagree with it? certainly, in every issue - mawla ali was right and those who opposed him were mistaken.

    and harari takes only that which is convenient for him.

    BUT - their mistake cannot be categorised as a sin. and regardless, we are not allowed to argue about it - we should safeguard our tongues against speaking about the errors of the sahabah as warned by our master sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

    harari whines - as is his habit - that shafiyi imams who claim to follow imam shafiyi and imam abul hasan al ash'ari oppose them when they say that hazrat muawiyah will get one ajr whereas mawla ali will get multiple ajr.

    where did imam shafiyi or imam abu'l hasan al-ashari say that hazrat muawiyah is a sinner? it is harari's insane derivation from a citation about imam shafiyi which he didn't even quote in full - and a madman's raving is no proof.
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    further in the same book, imam bayhaqi repeats what he said in manaqib shafiyi.

    iytiqad, p.530:

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    everyone who fought with amiru'l mu'minin ali ibn abi talib in the period of his leadership is a rebel.
    this is what our mashayikh - our scholars have said. this is what ibn idris - that is imam shafiyi raHimahullah - said.


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    one cannot cite this and then slander hazrat muawiyah based on this. because only a short-sighted ignorant fool will interpret in this manner.

    imam shafiyi's statement says: EVERYONE. and that includes hazrat talhah, hazrat zubayr and umm al-mu'minin. but hazrat ali himself said: "our brothers have risen up against us" (ikhwanuna baghaw alayna)

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    and imam bayhaqi in the closing of the book, p.534-5:


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    this is the prophecy of the Prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam about Hasan ibn Ali after the passing of ali and that he abdicated in favour of muawiyah ibn abi sufyan. and he said in the khutbah/speech:

    people! Allah ta'ala has guided you by our elders, and spared the blood of those who came late. and indeed in this matter of dispute between myself and muawiyah - it belongs to the person who is most rightful of it than me OR it is my right, which is have abdicated in favour of mu'awiyah for the sake of peace among muslims and to avoid bloodshed.


    did he accuse him of going to fire? if mawla Hasan ibn ali did not say this - what right does an insignificant mulla from the 15th century have to say otherwise? as if this mulla claims to know better than the great imam Hasan ibn ali or other companions; or even followers and imams. did imam shafiyi disparage hazrat muawiyah? if not let pipsqueaks shut up and worry if they will not become dogs of hellfire.
     
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this is why i said that he is foolish - he manufactures an opinion and just happily picks whatever suits him. if you really wish to see bayhaqi's opinion about sahabah, you must read his other works such as Kitab al-Iytiqad.

    note here that harari is a 15th century person whose greatness is only trumpeted by his followers. no contemporary sunni scholar ever endorsed him - every one of them kicked him out. and this guy so pompously seem to contradict and fault all the great sages down the ages. frankly, wherever harari disagrees with our elders and ulama deemed imams, harari's opinion will be consigned to the trash bin without second thought.

    and when he distorts and misrespresents ulama, he deserves to be rejected forthwith.

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    imam bayhaqi in al-iytiqad, p.441:

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    in a narration of umar ibn al-khattab (raDi'Allah anhu): "honour my companions for they are the best of you."

    in another narration: "be careful about my companions" [lit. "safeguard my right about my companions"] - and he sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam commanded us to love them, he forbade us from insulting them and informed his followers [ummah] that none of them can ever reach their position, nor attain their rank. and that Allah ta'ala has forgiven them.


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    notice harari or his followers have never received such assurances - it is far more easier and ahwan to say that harari and his followers will go to hell, than say such a heinous thing about the sahabah. only idiots will think otherwise.

    further imam bayhaqi in his iytiqad, p.449-450:

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    abu tahir the jurist informed us: told us abu bakr al-qaTTan: narrated to us ahmad ibn yusuf: narrated muhammad ibn yusuf: narrated sufyan from juwaybir from DaHHak ibn muzahim:

    Allah ta'ala has commanded us to seek forgiveness for them - i.e. - for the companions of Muhammad sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and HE KNEW what they would do.

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    from nusayr ibn dughluq who said: ibn umar was heard saying: "do not insult the companions of Muhammad SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. for indeed, their standing for a moment is far superior than all the good deeds of the entire lives of one amongst you."


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    this advice of ibn umar was for tabiyis who are given promise in the hadith (ثم الذين يلونهم) - pedestrians and fools who seek to fault them thousand years later can be tossed in a garbage bin without thinking twice.

    clearly a man who exalts abdullah hariri who has no assurance of "and those who follow them" nor of the many hadith - but dares to disparage the companion of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is deserving to be a DOG OF HELLFIRE. kalbun min kilabin naar.

    na'udhu billahi min shururi'l ashrar wa kaydi'l fujjar
     
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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    moderators note: no habashi propaganda allowed on our sunni site.

    abdullah habashi wrote this book: he made his own conclusions and faulted ulama and misrepresented their view. for example he says in his book: dalil sharayi:

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    wa athbata ma duunahu mina'l ma'aSi.

    here harariy is insistent on proving the 'sins' of sahabah. yet, he ignores imam shafiyis statement mentioned on the same page that he quotes from bayhaqi's "manaqib".

    [narrator mentioned on previous page: yunus ibn abd al-A'ala said:] i heard shafiyi say: umar ibn abd al-aziz was asked about the people of siffin and he said: "Allah has allowed my hands to be clean from their blood, i do not wish to smear my tongue with that"


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    further imam bayhaqi says:

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    we say as our elders have said: may Allah ta'ala be pleased with ALL OF THEM - every one among both groups only upon necessity to talk about it. and we shall remain silent upon that which they [i.e. our elders/salaf] remained silent, when one is not obligated to speak about it.

    Allah ta'ala gives guidance.

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    this is misrepresented by harari as 'affirming the sins of sahabah'. where did bayhaqi say you are free to slander sahabah as claimed by harari?
     

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  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    no habashi propaganda please.

    abdullah habashi was a shameless disparager of sahabah. don't try to whitewash his sins. don't try to act like the israelis.
     
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  7. IbnTarim

    IbnTarim New Member

    Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad was scheduled to engage in a debate with Samir al-Qadi, but he received death threats from extremist Ahbash, a group known for being violent and killing their opponents. This threat is exemplified by their involvement in the assassination of former Grand Mufti of Lebanon, Shaykh Hassan Khaled. Consequently, Shaykh Gibril withdrew from the debate. The Ahbash have a history of engaging in armed conflicts with Sunnis and Wahabis, both in Lebanon and in European cities like Gothenburg, where Sunni scholars confronted Harari and he quickly left with his students.

    Concerning Samir al-Qadi's book which is full of unfounded allegations against Shaykh Nazim, Shaykh Gibril countered these accusations. Furthermore, Shaykh Nazim personally addressed and debunked the falsehoods perpetuated by the Ahbash during his gatherings. Shaykh Isa's direct encounter with Harari provides substantial proof of this. Furthermore, Jamil Halim fabricated a story, alleging that after Shaykh Isa's confrontation with Harari, Shaykh Isa had a dream of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ in which he received knowledge about Harari's supposed 'high rank.' However, Shaykh Isa subsequently publicly denied this claim in Dubai.

    This video proves that Jamil Halim and Samir al-Qadi are both shameless liars, the Allamah of Algeria Shaykh Tahar Aldjet al-Maliki has refuted their fabrications and false attributions to him:

     
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  8. Here Rajab Deeb is telling his famous story where he used to give lessons to chickens!

    Rajab Deeb could not even take on one of the students of sheikh ^Abdullaah.
     
  9. Load of nonsense.

    Haddaad was supposedly going to challenge sheikh sameer al qaadiy. People advised him not to do so. So he did not!

    As to nazim al qubrisi. He was not very intelligent or knowledgeable bit like abu hasan. He also said many things that were against the religion.

    He thrived amongst the ignorant who believed and followed him.
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i know through reliable sources that the ahbash also did takfir of Shaykh Abu Adam of Sunnianswers.
     
  11. IbnTarim

    IbnTarim New Member

    A rather pathetic response by Fayyad

    Abdullah al-Harari's forced departures from Damascus occurred on multiple occasions. His initial exit resulted from scholars refuting his slanderous remarks against Imam Ibn Abidin al-Shami, Shaykh Muhammad al-Hashmi (the mentor of Shaykh Abdul Rahman al-Shaghouri), and Shaykh Abdullah Fa’iz al-Daghestani (the teacher of Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani).

    His second departure, which marked the conclusion of his time in Damascus, occurred following his defeat in a debate with Shaykh Ibrahim al-Yaqoubi (the father of Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi) on the subject of Amir Muawiya, held at the Umayyad Mosque. This debate was attended by esteemed scholars from Damascus. It's worth noting that the Ahbash group avoids openly acknowledging Harari's connection with Shaykh Ibrahim, despite his attendance at Shaykh Ibrahim's public Taswwuf talks in Damascus. Shaykh Ibrahim was unimpressed by Harari and refused to admit him to his classes. Shaykh Ibrahim saw through Harari and cautioned his inner circle of students about him, Harari even feared the name of Shaykh Ibrahim al-Yaqoubi because whenever he was mentioned in front of Harari many years later he would change the topic.

    Regarding Shaykh Rajab Deeb, he exposed Harari's lies, as did his students. Shaykh Rajab even confronted Harari in Beirut, leaving Harari speechless and unable to respond. Following that encounter, the Ahbash's poster boy, Jamil Halim, targeted Shaykh Rajab. A similar scenario unfolded when Harari disseminated false information about Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani. Shaykh Isa bin Mana al-Humairi traveled from Dubai to Beirut to confront Harari, who was left speechless. Shaykh Humairi even remarked that Harari seemed like a magician.

    Fayyad's mentioned article contains refutations against Harari, including critiques from scholars like Shaykh Muhammad Adib al-Kallas and several others. However, he appears unable to find fault in their writings and speeches, much like Jamil, and thus, he chooses not to mention them.
     
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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this is for the ahbash criminals to reflect, who are second only to the rafidah in their bad-mouthing our elders.

    as for my statement, i don't care which ghabiyy khabith said it - but whoever said something diminishing the rank of my master sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, we take them out as a fly fallen in a glass of milk and cast them away.
     
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  13. قال الإمام الغزالي ؛ اللسان نعمة عظيمة جرمه صغير وجرمه كبير.

    Imaam al ghazaaliyy said about the tongue : 'The tongue is a great endowment from Allaah, though small in size, its crime is enormous.'

    Reflect!
     
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  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    where is it written that "intentionally" finding faults?

    which scoundrel, ghabiyy, khabith said that nabiy alayhi's salatu wa's salam did "masiyah haqiqiyya"?
     
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  15. This tanqees is in regards whom intentionally searches in finding faults in the nabiy عليه الصلاة والسلام.

    ونعوذ بالله من ذلك

    .لقوله تعالى : النبي أولى بالمؤمنين من أنفسهم

    فداك أبي وأمي يا رسول الله
     
  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

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  17. Can you show the arabic text to this?
     
  18. Ahlesaabiqoon

    Ahlesaabiqoon Active Member

    What about someone who says the Prophets alayhimus salām may commit mistakes but do not sin. Is it fine to say this sentence?
     

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