here's someone calling him 'arrogant and snobbish' even though he is voicing a valid concern. I think that by this statement he's helped many speakers and naath-khwans by alerting the public about a very important issue. No doubt he's irked but who wouldn't be? Also see the comment immediately underneath - another one who claims to have paid him £1000 and so thinks that he's earned a right to call him a 'shaytan'. Moral of the story: Never go anywhere within a foot of the microphone if it's tahir jhangvi who's just vacated it.
will the one who replies faster be the winner - without bothering to check what one has typed....??? lets move on from this useless war of words.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم It is clear and evident from your posts you have some personal benefit, but that beside the point one of the first posts i made i said "at least owais raza is a sunni", trust me bro I have nothing against Oqais Raza or any other sunni Naat khawaan. If so i would the first person that I would have something agianst since I regularly recite qasaid and naats. So I am Lying that Owais raza charges minimun £1500 pound a ssesion and that he took £1000 at the mehfil i attended, brother whats it to you? If I am lying alHamdulollah I will get the reward of that lying, so whats that to you, clearly from your post it is you that have some auteria motive, but who am I to question that and neither have I done so..... But the fact of the matter remains that our mehfil have become reduced to a "jolly", a bit like the old sufi analogy, "giving people honey with no medicine", Islamic medicine (medicine for the body and soul) can only be obtains from the foot of the ulema. Ala Hadret alayhi rehma wardah, Mullah Nooruddin abdur rahmaan Jaami alayhi rehma, allama Busayri alayhi rehma et al were profound alims first. Thats no attck on the naat khawaans, because Allah azza wa jal can shower on whoever he like take for example the example of Khateebi Pakistan Allama Muhammed Shafi Okarvi alayhi reham, he was a naat khawaan first then he had "5aas karam", and did his alameeyah (dowra hadeeth/dars nazami) at the footstep his Eminence Mudarasay 3ala Ghazali Dowraan Shaykh ul Hadeeth Sayed Kazmi Shah alayhi rehma wardah. Quite frankly i have nothing personal against Owais Raza, but what I know is what i know from what i have witness and know, so whether you claim i am lying or not frankly does not make one iotas difference to me, facts are the facts , your or anyone else can interpret them as you wish..... Its nothing personal
Personal? I would defend any alim I know personally. Facts that have no proof. Its like me saying "you're a liar, someone you told has told me. I cant name him as you told him not to say anything. He lives an hours drive from your house. All these are facts. I wont provide proof as what Ive said is fact and that is also a fact." Fact of the matter is youre lying. Ive just gone through the entire list of mehfils we went to and other than Stoke there is nothing an hours drive south from Manchester so unless you can mention at least a city or bring forward a person you are a liar. I dont see why you can not mention names or a city. Obviously youve been told therefore not a hidden thing? Maybe youve got a personal agenda against Owais Qadri?
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم LOL @ Agent Xtreme, what am i covering up, your chatting bungle again. I have stated some facts which happen to be true, so get over it. By the way you going off sound like you have some personal motive....LOL. Yes your right on one thing i have not named the city nor the person(s), whose mehfil it was, which to me isn't the issue at hand, so get over it!!!
We didnt travel an hour south of Manchester to any mehfil apart from stoke No you were not but you stated something and now youre covering it all up. You cant even name the city. Its not true because Owais Qadri has never handled the money, not even when he gets home, he never even counted the money, my mates keep hold of it thats how I know its a lie. Not sure if you have difficulty reading and understanding. The two mehfils that I missed were on the same day and were not an hour south of Manchester thats how I know. Also the Mehfil that I missed was arranged by a friend of mine for his father and said will be calling him again. After dropping Shaykh Monawwar off on the way back I actually rang my friend and asked him how things went and he said couldnt have gone better. If there were any issues he would have called me. Why are you having such difficulty naming a city? I'm offended because he's an alim of the ahlus sunnah, you are defaming a naat khawan and an alim. Only some one with someone that is lying would not be able to answer some simple questions such as which city.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم For the 3rd time, I am not talking about Stoke on Trent.......is that OK for you? I was not the first to bring up the Name of Owais Raza, I only made a comment regarding him, which I know to be 100% factually true since I was at the mehfil, which you seem to have not been at. Agent-Xtreme how do you know it is not true? as you have stated you have not attended all of the mehfil, but that beside the point I know the fact to be true since i was there. End of the day whats it to you, if I am lying them i will get the reward of that action. Why are you so offended by me stating the facts of an event that I am 100% aware of and know to be completely factually true. Names aside, the main issue for me is not one regarding the poetry, the poet or reciter but the fact that our mehfil have been reduced to a "Jolly", where sunnis have reduced to listen to naat khawaans, whose aqeeda are sometimes questionable and who have little regard for the sunnah. are the naat khawaans going to protect our aqeeda or is it the job of the ulema? Where reaching a point in our modern history where more time is given to the "Jolly", which in reality is nothing but folly.
Brother you said one hour south of Manchester I said stoke on trent and you said no that 2.5 hours away from Manchester? I think I'm not the only one confused? I clearly showed you it takes roughly around an hour from Manchester to Stoke. With the bearings you have I think you could confuse anyone let alone me! You talk about adab but then youve just been talking about Owais Qadri and that he negotiated £1000 when its not true. So let me get this right Owais Qadri said to someone dont tell anyone ive accepted £1000 and not £1500, the person agreed but this person then tells you? This person named Owais Qadri and you had no issue mentioning him on here even though he said dont tell anyone but now you have an issue naming the other person? Please tell us what city it is at least? As for the person or negotiating - I dont think any person agrees. Like I've said previously I only missed two mehfils on the UK apart from that i was by OWais Qadris side every time. The two mehfils I missed were not an hours drive south of manchester. It would seem that you're trying to defame Owais Qadri. Whats your grudge with him?
سم الله الرحمن الرحيم salaam Agent-X, If you have "Now youve got me all confused,.....no idea where I am talking about" then maybe it is better for you to keep good adab and keep your lips seal. You know Allah azza wa jal gave us 2 ears to listen and one tongue, but that tongue was placed behind 2 sets of door (i suggest you think about that great sufi wisdom). (2) "As well as naming the city please do tell us the name of the person who supposedly negotiated with Owais Qadri", LOL brother without sounding disrespectful............why should i do that? who are you to demand from anyone anything? Do you have some right over me that I should name the person who had the discussion with Owais raza? Don't you think i should ask him first whether he wishes his name to be revealed in public without having prior consultation about the discussion at hand.....LOL (brother I suggest you should stop chatting bungle, mind you that is your progative - I did have a good laugh when i read your post). I can't remember who said it either Khateebi Pakistan Allama Muhammed Shafi Okarvi alayhi rehma or Mukarari 3ala hadret Allama Sahabzada Iftikhaurl Hasan alahi rehma, at a mehfil they said, "whereever there is a Alim and a naat Khawaan either the naat Khawaan will be successful and and the Alim will fail or visa versa". (3) regarding your referencing and comments regarding Huzoor Shaykh ul hadeeth, Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi, Ala hadret alayhi rehma was a prolific writer الشاعر of islamic poerty شعر but pray tell me was this peotry writen before or after he become an alim? According to my little knowledge of Aala hadret alayhi rehma (I am not a rizvi nor a brailvi) he was a profound alim first. Our mehfil are becomig reduced to becoming "a jolly", where time for the shuyukh and alimay deen becomes reduced in favour of the naat khawaan, who in most cases has little understanding of the sunnah. talking about the mehfil at stoke, let me tell you what i saw, since i was there too, as a guest of hadret Rabbani sahib. i saw one naat khawaan go outside have a fag then come back to sing a few nasheeds when it was his turn. We have certain naat khawaans these days doing the circuits whose aqeeda is questionable at best. Like i said i would prefer to spend 10 minutes in the sohbet of hadret Mufti ahle sunnat then 10 years in the mehfil of such naat khawaans! The issue (for me) is not about the poetry, poet or reciter, but the state of current Islamic scholarship, public perception and state of our our sunni awaam. ............and frankly if people are offend by that last comment so be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 - I drive to Birmingham from north Manchester 7/8 times a month. I think I know how long it takes to get to Stoke on trent Have a gander at this https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/M...dcd2f02caee04!2m2!1d-2.179404!2d53.002668!3e0 Now youve got me all confused south of Manchester and an hours drive? No idea where youre talking about. Name the town/city with your timings I dont think anyone can guess. 2 - Ive only missed two mehfils this year in the UK of Owais Qadri. both were on the same day. Unfortunately I was in London in a meeting with a brother and Shaykh Monawwar Ateeq. The brother and I couldn't make it back in time. You're going on like Ive only been to a mehfil or two with Owais Qadri. Please name the city Owais Qadri doesnt even check the money brother not even when we get home other brothers count it. Do you really think infront of hundreds of people whilst we are trying to get out Owais Qadri or one of will stop to count the money and spend 30mins negotiating? As well as naming the city please do tell us the name of the person who supposedly negotiated with Owais Qadri
سم الله الرحمن الرحيم salaam Agent-X, Point (1) 1 hour south of manchester is not Stoke-on-Trent, Stoke-on-Trent would be about 2.5 hours drive from manchester , i suggest you go and look at your map again...LOL Point (2) Since I am not talking about the mehfil at hadret Allama rabbani sahib qiblas mehfil, you are sadley the one mistaken. The mehfil I attended Owais Raza asked for £1500 and after discussion with the organisers he took £1000 and advised them not to tell anyone, that brother is a FACT (so keep your hair on bro....LOL)
There was an incident in Lahore going back a few years at Daata Saabs Darbar during a mehfil. A mufti who was not so well known confronted Owais Qadri about zikr in the background. Owais Qadri put his daleel forward. After the mehfil finished Molana Khadim Hussain asked the Mufti what he was playing at and why he had to do such a thing in front of thousands of people. Molana Jhadim Hussain went on to say to the Mufti if it was not for Owais Qadri many would not even know who Ala Hazrat is and we should support Owais Qadri as he has made the name of Ala Hazrat aam in households and not only that he has put Ala Hazrats kalaams in the hearts of young children. Molana Khadim Hussain then said we could try all our lives but I don't think we could have achieved this. This did not come from Owais Qadri it came from a local resident who is close to Molana Khadim Hussain and was present after the Mehfil. That would be stoke on trent? And all I have to say is its an utter lie as I was there at the mehfil. This is how it went, we arrived, sat in the office, took some pictures, did the mehfil and rushed off as we had other mehfils to attend So can you tell me who battered with who? and at what time did this battering take place? Can you also tell me who has told you this price and who told you about this supposed incident? I look forward to you reply as this is a lie and needs to be dealt with. Its because of such fake rumours that people are given a bad name.
I do agree agree to an extent that the money giving to an alim or mufti shouldnt be so less in comparison to naat khwan, but i dont agree at all with the statement that ill rather spend 10 minutes with mufi ansar then 10 years listening to owais qadri. Naat khwani is an action which the sahaba e kiraam practised infront of rasoolallah peace be upon him. You should also remember owais qadri regularly makes people make intention that they will pray salah and regularly come to the masajids. He also has made the poetry of imam e ahle sunnaah very popular, he also explains ahadith in mahafils aswell. All these good actions cant just be thought of as nothing, rather both owais qadri and mufti e ahle sunnah' sohbat are good
I agree sidi and you see my choice of words was deliberate - I know that there are explicit ayahs in the Qur'an which repudiate the idea that Kitabullah is poetry or the work of a poet - I did use the word 'verses' though I was actually going to say 'rhyme' but instead went for the usual 'verses' for 'ayahs' which are also translated as 'signs'. But since the sentence was interspersed between two others speaking of poetry I agree it could have got misunderstood and moreover your emphasis is really important and the distinction between 'nazm' and 'shiyr' is excellent explanation indeed. I think I have read 'rhyming prose' being used somewhere on the forum. If someone remembers it please give me a leg-up. jazakAllah. Wassalaam.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم I think the issue is not about the poetry, poet or reciter, but the state of current Islamic scholarship and the public perception
don't say such a thing. the qur'an is not poetry. it is a verse as in nazm*; not verse as in shiyr (poetry). --- to this day, if i feel overwhelmed and depressed by the burden of my sins and my general worthlessness, i listen to alahazrat's naat or read from his diwan. the diwan in my opinion, is an extended tafsir of the verse: bad hañseñ tum un ki khāţir :: rāt bhar ro-o-karāho bad kareñ har dam burāyī :: tum kaho un kā bhalā ho hum wahī nā shustā rū haiñ :: tum wahī baĥr e áţā ho hum wahī shāyān e radd haiñ :: tum wahī shān e sakhā ho hum wahī bey-sharm o bad haiñ :: tum wahī kān e ĥayā ho hum wahī nañg e jafā haiN :: tum wahī jān e wafā ho hum wahī qābil sazā ke :: tum wahī raĥm e khudā ho kyun razā mushkil sey Dariye :: jab nabiy mushkil kushā ho ---- *nazm=words ordered, but not poetry.
