Saifi silsilah and Husam al-Haramayn

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  1. Noor Ul Islam

    Noor Ul Islam New Member

    Of coarse, that's what I am saying. Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki in simple words can be called follower of Maslak e Ala Hazrat.

    I might have not clearly written my statement, The followers of Saifi Silsila Accept four Deoband in Husam al-Haramayn as Kafir, They treat Deoband as a Institute and they say don't go for the name Deoband or Barelvi, Go for the Aqeedah which should be the same as that of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat.
    That is what I understood from their videos but if you listen to Khalifa E Tajushshariah Mufti Sajid Ali Misbahi Sahab, This is what they say;



    The topic is the use of word "Deoband" not their Aqeedah
     
  2. غلام رسول

    غلام رسول Active Member

    Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki رحمة اللّٰہ تعالی علیہ was upon the Aqidah of Ahlus Sunnah. This is made clear in the book: Faisala Haft Mas’ala.


    Any connection the Deobandis claim to Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki رحمة اللّٰہ تعالی علیہ is false, there is no similarity in Aqidah whatsoever.
     
  3. Noor Ul Islam

    Noor Ul Islam New Member

    Thank you, for your response.

    I recently came across two videos on YouTube that suggest followers of "Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki" in Afghanistan and other locations might identify themselves with the Deoband movement due to their connection with "Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki"




    Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki's aqeedah is the same as that of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat. Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki was the name mentioned by the Scholar of Saifi Silsilah, Allama Ahmad Hassan Pacha Sahib and he referred Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki as a Deoband Scholar and it looks like as you mentioned;

    "They act upon the Fatwa of Ala Hazrat in Hussam ul Haramayn, and adhere to the principle of من شک فی کفرهم و عذابهم فقد کفر"
     
  4. غلام رسول

    غلام رسول Active Member

    I am not familiar with the individual in the video.


    The Aqidah of Mashaikh e Saifiyya is the Aqidah of Ahlus Sunnah, and they adhere to Maslak e Ala Hazrat.


    The current Sajjada Nashin of Astana e Aliya Saifiyya is Pir Muhammad Saeed Haidari, who worked together with Mawlana Khadim Hussain Razvi رحمة اللّٰہ تعالی علیہ in his efforts regarding Tahafuzze Khatme Nubuwwat and Irshad e Maslak e Ala Hazrat.


    They act upon the Fatwa of Ala Hazrat in Hussam ul Haramayn, and adhere to the principle of من شک فی کفرهم و عذابهم فقد کفر
     
  5. Noor Ul Islam

    Noor Ul Islam New Member

    Thank you, I'm glad someone replied. I think i should introduce myself a little bit. I am a new member of SunniPort. I'm from Rawalpindi, Pakistan, and I'm currently a university student. My family follows Sunni Islam, but they aren't well-versed in religious studies.

    About two to three years ago, I wasn't familiar with Maslak e Alahazrat. My journey began when I was playing cricket near my house. I was wearing an amulet, and a bearded man approached me, telling me that wearing it was considered shirk. He started reciting the Quran, which left me shocked and confused. This encounter made me search about the right firqa.

    Initially, I listened to scholars like Israr Ahmed, Tariq Masood, Tariq Jameel, and Jawad Naqvi, representing Deobandi, Wahabi, and Shia perspectives. However, I was unable to understand or make sense of their statements. For instance, Dr. Israr Ahmed's idea of Shirk fil mohabbat or Shirk fil tazeem seemed unclear to me. I struggled to understand how to apply these concepts logically and wondered who could avoid committing such acts.

    My doubts were resolved when I discovered the channel SHO International by Moulana Farooq Rizvi. Learning about Husamul Haramain helped me understand the stance of Deobandis, Wahabis, and Shias. This led me to my current question: Do the Saifi Silsila approve of Husamul Haramain, particularly the statement "Wa man Shakka fi Kufri wa Adhaabihi fa Qad Kafara"? because i came across this video



    I watched some of their videos which cleared some of my doubts about Saifi Silsila stance relating to four kafirs of Deoband but my main question is "Wa man Shakka fi Kufri wa Adhaabihi fa Qad Kafara" Sailfi Silsila stance about Deobandis. That whether they approve this statement or not?
    Kindly, please guide me on this issue.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2025
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  6. غلام رسول

    غلام رسول Active Member

    What question do you have regarding Silsila e Saifiyyah
     
  7. Noor Ul Islam

    Noor Ul Islam New Member

    Can I ask a question about saifi silsila?
     

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