Salma Yaqoob at NMJM

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  1. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member


    Are Shaykh Azmi and Shaykh Noori of NMJM aware of the above two characters?

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  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    'greatest scholar'?

    with due respect to his seniority - what exactly are his contributions in the field of knowledge to be termed 'greatest scholar'.
    anyone can claim anything but it means nothing unless there is evidence - direct or indirect.

    i have no problems accepting someone as a 'senior sunni figure' or even a 'senior sunni scholar' - but to be called 'greatest scholar' in europe, there should be some kind of outstanding contribution in terms of books, students, speeches, whatever. just inaugurating mosques and community work doesn't make one 'the greatest scholar'.

    letting children to kneel down before a kafir queen and celebrating christmas in masjids without a whimper is no sign of mufti azam's nisbat. or so i think. wAllahu a'alam.

    people may get offended, but knowledge is a trust - nobody's personal property. scholars should be upright and be frank and candid when it comes to the knowledge of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

    we are a nation who invented the isnad system and the jarh-ta'adil framework - people sparing no one - not even their own teachers.

    all for the safeguarding of the trust.

    nas'alu Allah al-aafiyah.
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  3. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member

  4. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member

    At 51 minutes Seyh Ershad Misbâhî describes Selma's father in law as the greatest scholar in Europe and successor of Müfti-i-Ehl-i Sünnet Mustâfa Rîza Han Hâzretlerî

    Are these men really the successors of Imam-i Ehl-i Sünnet ve Mücceddidi Ahmâd Rîza Han Hâzretlerî in Hind?

    Fatiha i şerife for the release of Mevlana Seyh Hâdim Rizvî Hâzretlerî in his mission to return the Ehl-i Sünnet to the way of Hadrat Imâm-ı Rabbâni Ahmad Fârûkî Sirhandi (rahmatullah alayh), Ameen
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  5. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member

  6. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    he has studied in both - nadwa, as well as ashrafiyah mubarakpur.
  7. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member

    Shaykh Muhammad Mustafa Al-A'zami passed away earlier today.

    إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعون

    Shaykh Qamar is not part of the same family?
  8. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    I don’t know whether he also studied in madwatul ulema, but I am certain that he studied in ashrafiyyah (something I have heard him say). The Wikipedia page makes no mention of that.
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    ho niko naam jo qabron ki tijarat kar ke
    kya na becho ge jo mil jayeNge sanam path'har ke

    having earned a good name, by making graves a [lucrative] business;
    will you hesitate to sell idols made of stone?

    that was iqbal who probably didn't expect muslims to trade in idols.

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  10. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    And I suppose the ol' saying in chemistry applies in other areas too - like attracts like:

    "Great to join Muslim community members & children to donate food to #foodbank to help everyone celebrate #Christmas" - Waqar Azmi

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  11. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    ...and Christmas plays with junior:

  12. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    Salma apparently has a penchant for caroling:

    "Thursday 18th December
    Not so silent night – out carol singing!

    I went out carol singing to some of our local old people’s homes in the ward on Thursday evening! Some people may think it is odd as I am a Muslim so let me explain…Firstly, Muslims do believe in the Virgin Birth, and indeed view Jesus as a Messiah, so many of the carols are relevant, and I can genuinely share in some of the spiritual significance of Christmas. Theology aside, however, it was just a wonderful experience to see the genuine happiness that such a small act brought to some of our elderly residents.

    There was a group of us – some from Balsall Heath Forum, some from local churches, as well as some other Muslims. I took my eldest son Hamza with me, and really enjoyed seeing how he was touched by the responses of many of the residents who shook his hand and had tears in their eyes (although he did point out that could have been because of my bad singing!)

    I do have to point out though that as Muslims are strictly ‘monotheistic’ – believing in the Unity of God – I had the delicate job of ensuring Hamza and I avoided singing anything which contradicted this, resulting in some uneven singing! Upon such details are interfaith experiences built…
    Overall though it was a lovely, genuinely uplifting evening, and I would highly recommend it!"

    ...and later

    "You can view pictures from the Carol singing and Hamper delivery on the 'Elect Salma...' facebook group. Thank you for your support.

    Warmest wishes for the holidays,


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  13. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    Waqar Azmi on PREVENT:

    "This conference, and the review of the Prevent strategy is timely, and I am largely supportive of that strategy. I am here representing the British Muslim Forum – the majority of British Muslims are traditional Sunnis. I have been working as chief advisor in the cabinet office on diversity as well as on Prevent projects. The Prevent approach has been a shambles. No other community has been treated in the way the Muslims were by Prevent. The main reason has been the universality of approach and locating the problem within ‘muslimness’. The distortion of Islam to promote radicalisation should never be seen as Islamic. I have never supported the universality of approach. Funding allocation was given to those areas that had a significant proportion of Muslims in their area. Funding based on the proportion of Muslims gives the impression that it is a Muslim problem, which is alienating. The preoccupation with theological issues means that government is interested in a social engineering of its own impression of Islam – the impression is that government wants to create their own version of Islam, and this is corrosive to community confidence.

    Communities do need to develop, so having communities to look at how they themselves operate is no bad thing. Attitudes do need to move on. Our argument is how is this relevant to extremist terrorism and community safety and crime? As an example, though this hasn’t happened in the UK, is the politicisation of wearing a veil. When clothing becomes a political issue then this is presenting Muslims as a problem, and dilutes the real issue, crime terrorism.

    Dealing with organisations and people and shutting down others and people who don’t share your viewpoint is very divisive, and this is something the previous government did quite well.

    Forcing people to marry into your own views can shut down and isolate opposing views, which doesn’t create a healthy community. To ignore those who don’t agree with your own viewpoint is very unhealthy.

    The combative attitude to community work that’s been introduced as a by product of Prevent has been interesting – local authorities who’d been dealing with cohesion for decades had to change their way of operating, and they felt it left them in the uncomfortable situation of having to deal with Muslims in a different sense. This played into the hands of extremists by..." - pg. 19

    Mawlana Shahid Raza also talks about it:

    "We may not agree with the term ‘prevent’, however in my opinion the strategy resulted in enhanced engagement of youths and women in public life and helped an improved level of cohesion within various communities. As a result of this strategy inter-faith relations were also enhanced. However, this strategy also caused disquiet among other ethic or faith communities who believed that the funding could have been distributed more evenly and fairly." - pg. 26

  14. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

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    He has ideas about equality of women in Islam, and seems his son has ideas about equality of Kafirs in Islam and the equality of Kufr with Islam.
  15. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member

  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    if so, that explains a lot.
  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    azmi sahib is nadwi?
  18. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member

  19. Mehmet Sekil

    Mehmet Sekil Active Member

  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    oh please. haven't you heard of the divine right of kings?

    effendi, you appear to come from some quaint turkish village and speak of a very bygone islam, in which people are expected to be good until their last breath and previous laurels do not bestow you with carte blanche in the present - and some very old belief that a man may do the worlds' good, but he will be judged according to what he is doing today.

    will a person's good deeds of the past bestow him with an authority to do what he likes in the present? isn't one bound to be faithful to ahl al sunnah until the last?

    if not, why doesn't NMJM begin teaching and selling asharfayili thanawi's books? was he not a prolific author?

    nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.
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