Saqib Shami Facebook posts

if at all it is true that saqib sahab was given a grand istiqbal at bareilly shareef, then it goes without saying that it is because the shuyukh there do not know about his stances on qawwali with music.

sayyidi taj al-shariah has simplified the matter for us with his statement, which sidi abu Hasan quoted, and which I consider a historic statement coming from a much respected public figure.

as one scholar noted, people tend to change the rulings or find excuses for jawaz just to hide their own faults or make their acts seem harmless and here is a person at the height of fame saying that my actions cannot be considered as proof for hillat!

 

i suppose the picture of shaykh sayyid ahmad daHlan was posted for the 'shortening the beard' mas'alah - trying to checkmate us.

firstly, shaykh was shafiyi and we know the ikhtilaf of shafiyi ulama; tafseeq is not done in masayil differed upon.

secondly, when saqib shami or anyone else poses this: we ask - when you reach the level of knowledge and expertise in hadith and fiqh such that most scholars of your time consider you ustaz al-ulama, then we will stop calling you fasiq and maybe believe that you have a genuine sharayi reason based on weighing dalayil - and it is not mere whims and fancies and satisfying vain desires veiled in the garment of 'ikhtilaf'.

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nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.

 

Saqib shami is a fasiq. It doesn't matter whether he's a 'pir' with thousands of followers, he is a fasiq on account of his short and trimmed beard. The stunt that he pulled at the conference does not eradicate his fisq. Nor does the welcome he received in bareilly sharif.

Of the four main conditions to take into account before doing bay'ah, one of them is that the pir must not be a fasiq e mu'lin [see fatawa ridawiyyah 21/492;505;603]

According to alahazrat, it is not permissible to do bay'ah on the hands of a 'pir' who trims his beard, because such a 'pir' is a fasiq e mu'lin and likewise the ruling is the same for doing bay'ah with a 'pir' who listens to qawwali with music [21/600;602-603].

 

is getting an ijazah from a someone, equal to taking Baiyah on his hands (i.e. considering him a peer)?

 

i don't think alahazrat considered shaykh zayni ahmad dahlan a fasiq.

please don't tell me that saqib is the same as shaykh sayyid ahmad zayni dahlan. besides, please enlighten me where sayyidi ahmad permitted qawwali with music listening from fussaq?

but, i wonder: why should you say such thing about shaykh zayni ahmad dahlan?

 

https://islamictext.wordpress.com/sayyid-ahmad-zayni-dahlan-al-makki-ash-shafii-d-1304-ah-1886-ce/

Why did ala Hazrat take Ijaza from sayyid ahmad zayni rahimullah ta'ala and did he consider the Shaykh a fasiq?

 

listening to music is Haram. the ones reciting the kalam should not be fussaq. if a sayyid scholar does it, we guard our tongue about them but we will not hesitate to state the sharayi Hukm that music is Haram, listening to music is Haram.

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i encourage you to read ibn Hajar al-haytami's: "kaff al-ra'a'aa" and the many hadith therein. do come back with objections if you have any - or if you need any clarification. but be sure to read haytami's work - assuming you have already read alahazrat's books.

kaff al-ra'a'aa of imam ibn Hajar al-haytami:
http://www.feqhweb.com/dan3/uploads/13580809912.pdf

"restraining the commonality - from the impermissible forms of amusement and samaa (or music)"

الرعاع - means common people, the commonality, masses, awaam, public etc.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

shah sahib is a sayyid, and a senior scholar. with due respect to his status, what he does CANNOT be justified.
given that shah sahib is a scholar and a sayyid and an elder, we won't say the same things that we do to saqib sahib.

whether sarkar-e-kalan raHimahullah (who is cited as an example for qawwali lovers of our time) or shah sahib, we respect them and will hold our tongue from tafseeq - but certainly spare no quarter in refuting that practice and stating sharayi Hukm that music is Haram.

we are harsh with saqib, in the hope that at least we can knock some sense in those who follow saqib - or saqib himself.

and there are other differences - unless you imply that saqib shami is the same level of sarkar-e-kalaN or shah irfan sahib and they are all the same quality of scholars and leaders. unless of course @Harris786 deems saqib's stunt at the sufi conference the biggest act of sunniyat in this century.

there is a principle of taSawwuf that the aberrations of awliya CANNOT be used as a justification for others. nor can it become a fatwa or basis of fatwa. what they do can be excused FOR THEM because of their status and their record (as scholars, mashayikh and otherwise pious/righteous men with one aberrant position) but cannot be a basis of considering it Halal.

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taj al-shariah said it very succinctly once (rephrased): Haram is Haram, no matter who does it. it won't become Halal if i do it.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

with all due respect to Syed Sahab - shariah applies to ALL, no exceptions.

 

How about when Shah Sahib does it?

 

To learn from and get inspired by Sufi Saqib.

 

its..........SHOWTIME...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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na Daulat chahiye na shohrat chahiye, nijaat ke waaste imaan o shariyat chahiye

Na mureedoN ki bheed na khwahish e tabiyat, raza ke ghulamoN ko aakhirat chahiye

 

fame and glory are not indicators of being in the right, or being righteous.

even if all the ulama of bareilly - ma'adhAllah - made bay'ah to saqib shami and became his murids, i would still not consider him worthy to be a pir or stop criticising his praising fussaq and encouraging the foolish aawam to indulge and enjoy "mazameer". i assume most ulama are unaware of what saqib shami's been doing. with all this publicity, saqib should really use his 'star power' to maintain a continuous refutation of tahir jhangvi and his heresies.

i sincerely wish and encourage saqib sahib to use this opportunity to 'correct' thousands of his fans by clearly stating that:

music/qawwali is Haraam:

1. listening to music is Haram;
2. qawwali should be only voice (or maximum, with the duff)
3. only clean/sharayi poetry should be recited
4. only people who follow shariah should recite the kalaam - fussaaq like the famous qawwali singers should be shunned*
5. this should be a purely dhikr mahfil - not a show or a gathering of entertainment
6. break-dance and sashaying like transvestites is NOT the raqS excused by sufiyah under the name of 'tawajud/wajd'
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beard is a fistful:

1. hanafi ulama consider beard as a fistful.
2. alahazrat considered anyone trimming his beard less than fistful as fasiq
3. even if he considers it as an ikhtilafi mas'alah - at least tell it openly that he disagrees with alahazrat's opinion (lest it is lost on his illiterate murids)
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wa billahi't tawfiq.

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alas! just think about it: how sad alahazrat might have felt in his resting place, that a fasiq without a fist-length beard and one who listens to not just music and fussaq-qawwals but encourages public to listen to it and clap and sway like transvestites is being heralded. someone who openly disagrees with his fatawa on these two issues - is given such publicity.

we love bareilly only on account of alahazrat. and he says that those who listen to music with qawwali are fasiq; those who clip their beards shorter than a fist-length are fasiq.

sure, celebrate saqib shami - and never pause for a moment to think whether alahazrat would do the same.

 

These facebook screenshots are doing there rounds on whatsapp groups.

There is a conflicting version that Huzoor TAAJUS SHARIAH was out of town at the time.

 

kaf al-ra'a'aa of imam ibn Hajar al-haytami:
http://www.feqhweb.com/dan3/uploads/13580809912.pdf

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dhamm al-malahi of imam ibn abi'd dunya:
http://www.archive.org/download/waq30873/30873.pdf

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tahrim al-nard wa al-shatranj wa'l malahi of imam abu bakr al-aajuriy
http://www.archive.org/download/waq38308/38308.pdf

[please note that the original text of the author is added to and expanded with appendices projecting the editors' (most likely wahabi) inclinations]

 

i watched the video a little.

it appears that saqib sahib is so busy that he didn't get time to trim his beard...or has he decided to finally abandon the ikhtilaf and keep a sharayi beard as considered wajib by Hanafi fuqaha? i hope it is the latter.

and then there is the haram qawwali sung by fussaq that he listens to and enjoys throwing money on - hopefully he publicly disavows that as well.

wa billahi't tawfiq.
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around 16 mins - apparently, saqib shami knows more than alahazrat, ibn Hajar, al-aajuriy and ibn abi'd dunya combined.


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"Another major event in Bangalore today. Hundreds of lovers, mureeds passionately surge forward to meet Sayyidi Pir Saqib Shaami Sahib in Jamia Masjid Bilal.

After Pir Sahib's speech, advice to ulama and awaam, interview with tv channels , a tarbiyya gathering took place for kanz ul Huda members in Bangalore where hundreds took bayah with Pir Sahib.

Among the dignatries, Mufti Azam Karnatak, Mufti Anwar and Qazi Mufti Aslam were all present. Many other Mudarrisoon, Imams, scholars were also present aswell as community leader Irshad Sahib."

https://www.facebook.com/PirSaqibShaami/videos/10154401395667841/

 

@Haqbahu Great joke! You got me there!

 

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