sayyid irfan mash'hadi - virtues of the sahaba and ahle bayt

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  1. Ridwi

    Ridwi Well-Known Member

    can someone please post the english translation of umur-e ishrin
  2. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Ameen Madni needs sectioned, his a threat to the local community. No sunni masjid should let him in, and despite telling ulema he won't attend the shia tv again, he went on the the next day. The ulema have distanced themselves from him also.
    His only friends were mainly bham ulema after his attack on the tafzilis backfired and they proved he was a blatant liar, however he ain't got no sunni friends now.
  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    tafzilis hold sayyidina ali as superior amongst all the sahaba and their elder brothers, the rafidis, opine the same. even if they only believe 3 sahaba remained muslim; they say sayyidina ali was superior amongst the 3.

    why do you think the ulama say tafzilis are the rafidis younger brothers?
    Last edited: May 13, 2010
  4. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    It refers to those who make a comparison between the two and Say Ali is number 1 and Abu Bakr is number 2. For Shias there is no comparison at all, in fact the rafizis insult as you say. Shias have a totally different order.
  5. Assalaamu 'Alaykum

    This is what I said brother.. Tafzilis have the Aqeedah that Hazrat Ali Raziallahu Ta'alah 'Anhu is Afzal over Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddeeq Raziallahu Ta'alah 'Anhu .. And Rafidis too belive this, (and yes correctly as you said that rafidis insult the other 3 Blessed Khulafa-e-Raashideen Raziallahu Ta'alah 'Anhumah)

    But the point remains.. I have not said anything wrong.! Only you have made a more refined point ..! But the thing remains the Tafzil is the basic aqeedah of Rafidis, (because all Tafzeelis may not be Rafidis, but all rafidis are Tafzilis) ..

  6. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    You are wrong about rafidi holding tafzil as their founding aqeedah.

    tafzili as is used in today's arguments refers to those who say Hz Ali is greater than Hz Abu Bakr. Shias do not even hold Hz Ab Bakr in any equation. They talked about this on their tv channel. They say there is absolutey no comparison in the two and do not hold Hz Abu Bakr in any regard at all when it comes to ranking (this was shias refuting tafzilis).

    Ameen Madni is mentally not there and has not been for a while. He is totally doomed and I actually think that he needs help.
  7. Assalaamu 'Alaykum

    Your dream of Sunni Imaam across UK, Insha Allah Ta'alah will be Realised .. Just Pray to ALLAH 'AZZAWAJAL , asking Sadqaah of HUZOOR SALLALLAHU 'ALAYHE WASALLAM .. AAMEEN

    PS - One Mashadi Sahib is enough to tear apart these Badmazhabs. Pray for a Mashadi Sahab for each Generation ..

  8. Sajid Manzoor

    Sajid Manzoor New Member

    Aqeeda wise--what we basically need in UK is 1000 mini Mashadi sahib's!

    All our efforts should be placed in that direction---Shah sahib should be given full authority and resources by all our Sunni ulema and Mashaaikh to prepare these students, in order to create staunch Sunni imaams across the UK!

    Men like him come once in a while---we all need to put aside our differences and promote and use him as much as possible for Aqeeda Haq!

    Perhaps, thats just a wild dream hey?!
  9. jasimisbest2

    jasimisbest2 Active Member

    The person Ameend Madni has not become a Shia, but he is just a sell out, he goes on Shia Tv's and because he lacks knowledge on issues with Shia;s he just agreed with them...

    The shia;s on the other hand are very crafty and sly by brining a person who claims to be schlor on screen to present sunni view, while ameen madni doesnt even know his own fiqh properly...

    We plead to the shia;s to call Syed Irfan Shah Saab on there TV and ask the same questions, I gurantee the Shia's shaytaan wont have guts because a an ALIM of SUNNI who is fully aware of there own aqeedah will eat Shia;s...

    Where Ameen Madni he is not shia, but a sunni who is willing to please anyone...

    He gets good money pay from Shia to appear on TV and specially been sacked from the Masjid he was in, he needs a living.....

    Understand brother, him going on Shia channel is nothing but s shameful act by shia;s.....

    and Ameend Madni he is just a rat thats all...

    Noor TV they bring anyone who is willing to come on there TV, just to use up airspace time... Ameen Madni maybe called Mufti but the reality is he doest know fiqh himself.

  10. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    I am shocked and saddened. I heard him in person a number of times in Shah Sahib's mehfils. Although I always felt that his speeches were shallow and lacked content, I didn't know him as a sell-out moulvi. He always came across as someone speaking without conviction.

    I'm even more surprised to see abu fadl slagging him openly.
  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    anyway, back to ameen madni.

    people like him further illustrate the need for sunni masjids to have procedures in place for hiring imams and committee members.

    all imams, teachers, committee members should be made to sign documents that outline the sunni creed. something like alaHazrat's umur e 'ishrin [which a brother, maybe abu nasr, has translated] or something like:

    1. i am from ahlu's sunnah wa'l jama'ah
    2. we have 4 imams of fiqh
    3. ash'ari, maturidi
    4. as a group, wahabis, deobandis, shi'a are all ahlu'l bid'ah and i will never propogate their beliefs. some of their beliefs reach kufr
    5. qadyanis are kafir
    6. some of our imams are mujaddid alf thani, shah waliullah, shah abdul haq, shah abdul aziz, fazl e haq khayrabadi, imam ahmad raza
    7. i will never allow any other belief to be propogated but ahlu's sunnah
    8. i will not associate with heretics and am not a sulah kulli and will refute heretics openly when needed
    9. i will never rebuke the khatib for refuting heretics during the jum'a khutba or otherwise

    obviously, the list is not exhaustive but something really needs to be done.
    Last edited: May 14, 2010
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    imam e a'azam said it like this:
    1. tafdil al-shaykhan [holding abu bakr and umar as superior]
    2. hubb al-khatanayn [loving the two sons in law: uthman and ali]
    3. mas'H 'ala'l khuffayn [wiping on leather socks]

    all 3 of these things are denied by the rafidis.
    Last edited: May 12, 2010
  13. Exactly. Which is why no Shia, no matter how moderate, will give an inch on this issue. Even the Zaydis, the least gumrah of the Shia, are adamant on this.
  14. This sad case shows that far from being a trivial non-issue which "sectarian" maulvis like to bring up to divide Sunnis, as claimed, the issue of the afzaliyyat of Abu Bakr Siddiq :ra: is of fundamental importance in the definition of a Sunni. What did Imam al Azam :ra: say? " al Shaykhayn wa Rafa´al -Yaddayn wa Masah. al Khuffayn" (excuse my Arabic). The Imam defined Sunniyat!
  15. Tafzil is the basic aqidah of any Rafidi. Brother aqdas is 100% correct. And tafzil may be called the stepping stone to become a rafzi.
  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    let's be realistic, though. he may have sided with pir siddiqi to keep his job at siddiqia masjid and noor tv but for someone who is a rafidi, the most fundamental 'aqida is tafzil.

    it would be nonsensical to say he did not sympathise with the opposing party. is there any rafidi who is not tafzili?
  17. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    He had no sympathy on the tafzil issue. That is incorrect as he sided with Pir Siqqiue Sahib during that fiasco.

    He is basically a sell-out moulvi and it has nothing to do with aqeeda. He would go on a wahabi station and please them if it brings the pounds in.

    I have observed him for a while and I think he is simply lost. I even think mentally he is not all there (seriously). If you know him or know of him you will probably agree.
  18. Sajid Manzoor

    Sajid Manzoor New Member

    i am amazed that Noor Tv let him on without any vetting? has he been hiding his views and just now decided to come out openly?

    i watched a re-run of the 'sawal keyjiye' programme on 803-Hidayat Tv tonite---absolutely disgusting the way he sat there looking coy and agreeing to all and sundry from these gustaakh shias!

    am sure Mashadi sahib will tell it as it is on Sunday!
  19. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    sunday 16 may
    zuhr till 'asr

    food will be served at the end.

    the masjid is a few miles from junction 10 of the M6.
  20. Sajid Manzoor

    Sajid Manzoor New Member


    those Yotube clips of ammen madni sahib all seem surreal--

    -it seems/appears that 'ameen madni' sahib is saying/agreeing to all the shia stuff under some kind of duress?!---he hasnt been bought out by the shias has he? Or has he been somehow pressured/blackmailed into saying all this---- it is hard to take this in---if all this is true, then this is very sad for all us sunnis and we should all be concerned about our plight urgently.

    please post the exact date of the Walsall Jalsa that Mashadi sahib will be appearing at and exact timings please.

    Jazakallah---we all need to wake up!!!!!!!!

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