Sectarianism Event and Criticism

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  1. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Well-Known Member

    can we honour and respect a deviant scholar for his ilm.
    Answer in light of Hadith shareef.

    by Khalifah of Sayyidi Shaykh al-Islam madani miyan, Mawlana naveed ashrafi.
    Last edited: May 20, 2022
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    This is really getting pathetic.

    Message to Shahid Ali: You're not even using common sense any more, and you've probably deliberately, lost the art of discourse and listening comprehension.

  3. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Well-Known Member

  4. T-Khan

    T-Khan New Member

    Looks like he sneaked in some comments about Aqdas and aH being blind followers in there too
  5. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    I’m fed up with this guy. He has done zero work since graduating. And it’s the same broken record. Until he makes his stance clear about JTI, he’s got no credibility in the UK. A man with principles and integrity would have made his position clear long ago.
  6. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    The problem here is that unfortunately Shaykh Asrar has lately been taking some incorrect positions in his speeches (along with other mistakes). And Shahid Ali has picked on one of these incorrect positions of Shaykh Asrar.

    It's also about time Shahid Ali also refutes his own Shaykh Mufti Aslam sahib along with JTI.

    In the video at 28:12 he has referred to one of sidi Abu Hasan's posts and has asked for fairness from him in similarly refuting Shaykh Asrar!
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Besides, what abt his own issues with JTI and/or iran shah, as some brothers have pointed out on other threads? (im tuned out of that topic, as it has uk-specific details, and only read it in passing)
  8. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member

    I agree.
    However, he made many valid points in this video which do need to be addressed.
    Wallahu Alam
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  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Saw only a few minutes in the beginning and scrubbed to somewhere in between; it's a wip. I should have said clearly his usual titles of 'refutation of Asrar Rashid' are off-putting and don't do him any favors given his antics. This is what happens when someone becomes the Sunni who cries sulh-kulli!
  10. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member

    Im not sure if you watched this one. But i actually think he is actually right on this one. Please feel free to correct me if Im mistaken.
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Someone needs to tell him to stop his witch-hunts and obsession with Asrar Rashid, otherwise he'll end up as the alan duncan of the UK Sunnis, a largely irrelevant backbencher!
  12. Mubashar Luqman

    Mubashar Luqman New Member

  13. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Hamza Yusuf is trying to break the core fundamentals of the religion from within, casting doubts, and when questioned comes with his smooth responses "I don't necessarily agree as its not the way of the Ahlus Sunnah! ".

    One of the signs of hypocrites is that they have a pleasing speech! His smooth tongue is a good example of the same.

    Then we have the admirers of such hypocrites who start attacking the likes of Sidi Abu Hasan for his anonymity citing he might as well be an agent of Jews or Christians. How did these idiots make such a claim when the fact is that Abu Hasan has been exposing these enemies of Islam. If there is a person who is on the payroll of the enemies of Islam it has got to be Mark Hanson. Look at the harm he is causing!

    There is a saying in India "chor kotwaal ko daante". That's the case of those attacking Sidi Abu Hasan.
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  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Hamza reminds me of Abdul Qadir Shah.

    Paqs attacks sahabah such as Sayyidunas Siddiq (Fadak), Fārūq (where was the tall one?), Uthman (why did he recall Marwan?), Abu Sufyan, Hind (why did she go to Uhud?) and then says, 'oh, but they're sahabah so we can't say anything.'

    You've said everything!

    Hamza peddles perennialism and says everything to validate it and then says, 'but I'm not a perennialist.'
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2022
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  15. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Well-Known Member

    huzur tajush shariah short clip that i feel people need to listen to.
    in light of the qur'aan only sunnis are on the right path.
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  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Hanson the shaytan is attempting to make perennialism popular amongst Sunnis and the most our ulama are saying is:

    Agree to disagree
    Refute the bidah

    Nah. Not enough. Humiliate the shaytan. Stop messing about. If you can't speak the truth, then let those who can do it. Stop attacking forums when you can't even call a spade a spade. Forums are doing more than you've ever done to refute heresy.
  17. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Apart from the anonymous aH who we can't take from because no one knows who he is(!), who else has or will come out and say this:

    Hamza supports perennialism. Ergo, Hamza promotes kufr. Hence, it is forbidden to take from him.

    I'm going to kiss the hand of the first UK based scholar who does it.

    We've got a lot of certificate holding, Arabic speaking young grads these days. Let's see...

    And if they don't, then I'll keep following anonymous people because at least they aren't scared of upsetting people and worried about appeasement.

    Why can't we have a molwi in the UK who just says things clearly?

    Like aH said, Hamza, who I don't consider Muslim, can merrily promote Dante in which our master ﷺ is insulted but we can't tell Muslims to not follow the shaytan, Hamza? Nah.

    I'm not waiting for UK molwis. I prefer people who say it as it is.
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2022
  18. burdah reciters

    burdah reciters New Member

    I have spent time with the said individuals numerous times. I am a nobody but can confidently say the fame is getting to them and its all about the likes and followers. When they were told I don't follow them on social media - it was as though I had committed a grave sin — fame clearly isn't everything.
  19. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    What a whole lot of waffling and looking towards Sh Asrar for reassurance. Evidently, speaking live isn’t as easy as concocting ig stories.

    That last bit comes across as exceedingly arrogant even though I suppose Asad Ali thought that was terribly clever.

    Tut, tut — fame clearly isn't everything.
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  20. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I did not know that 'showing one's face' is a prerequisite to judging one's aqeeda. It is just a diversion tactic to avert one's attention away from the real issues.
    What Sh Asad Ali fails to comprehend or chooses to ignore is that by saying HY is a 'great scholar' in his own right but we do not endorse perennialism on social media, he is exposing the public to the equivocation in HY's speeches. How well versed are the public to the issues of perennialism? If for argument sakes, we say even the common Muslim will find perennialism unacceptable, then how can you say that HY is a 'great scholar', when he can't give a straight answer to what is known to the common Muslim.

    HY with his links to the like of Nasr and co should not be promoted, in fact they should be cancelled until the repent. they can pontificate their garbled half-truths on lecterns under the guise of 'academia' but should be shunned from scholarly circles . Faith is not equivocation, it is firm belief.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2022
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