Sh Asrar and Abu Layth on Nuzul of Jesus alayhi's salam

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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    CHISHTI Well-Known Member

    The camera is reversed so it looks like he's drinking with his left hand.....

    ..but it doesn't matter...he could be drinking zamzam in a goblet made from glass from the court of the queen of sheeba ..this micro dajjal is an apostate and one who openly mocks Qur'an, Ahadeeth and the pure beliefs of Islam which have been transmitted to us by men who understood the heavy burden of clarifying truth from falsehood and then teaching it to others...who were serious in their learning about divine revelation and Prophetic truth and have helped safeguard what it means to be Muslim...

    ...this clown is the unavoidable conclusion of the insidious nature of pop culture ...the trivialisation of everything for entertainment purposes and self glorification....he is the kim Kardashian of 21st century deviants.
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  3. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Look properly, it's his left hand!
  4. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    actually it's his right hand.
  5. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    At the end of that video he even drinks with his left hand, which is a sign of him being a shaytan. He even laughs like one.
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    well, the 'propriety' brigade can go to sleep. the mosquito-dajjal wants to become a big dajjal.

    so here is a recipe for your delusion - try to poke one of your eyes and become blind in one eye. then perhaps you can fool your stupid followers into believing that you are a big dajjal.

    now, who has doubt that he is not a murtadd, raise your hand.

    i think everyone should refer to him as micro-dajjal henceforth, for two reasons: for his wish to be known as a dajjal and to spite him with the micro.

    all brothers are requested to address him as micro-dajjal.

    نسأل الله العافية
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  7. Tālib ul-Haq

    Tālib ul-Haq New Member

  8. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    On the matter of the return of Sayyiduna Isa upon Him be peace and blessings I have until now restricted myself to the refutation of the source used by abu Layth and that was the tafseer of ibn Ashur.

    The reason for my restricting myself to that was to allow time to Sheikh Asrar to present his arguments and to not precede him in posting the evidences for the sources of evidence are essentially the same.

    The evidence presented by him proved the matter in certain terms but for some no matter what evidence is presented guidance for them is not destiny and as a result their attitude towards the evidence is that what was the attitude of the people of the books what is highlighted by Allah Most High in His saying "and even if you were to bring all the signs to the people given the book(s), they would not follow your qiblah"

    However despite the matter having been proven with certainty there remains something small I feel what needs adding and that is the saying of the Great Imam of the Maliki School Qadi Iyad rahmatullahi alayhi in his commentary on Sahih Muslim, Ikmalul Mu'lim bi fawaaidi Muslim.

    He writes
    "the descending of (Sayyiduna) Isa The Messiah upon Him be peace and blessings and His killing the Dajjal is the truth and it is correct according to the ahlus Sunnah, the reason for that is that the narrations what have come in regards to it are sahih and further because there is nothing what has come to negate it or even weaken it, and this is against some of the Mu'tazila and the Jahmiyya"

    note firstly that He says this is a matter believed by the ahlus Sunnah and is correct and is truth and this is opposed by some Mu'tazila and the Jahmiyya (and recently the Qadianis) all of whom are groups outside of the circle of Islam.

    note secondly that he says there is nothing what has come to even weaken the matter nevermind to negate it.

    This therefore what we have seen by some saying that there is in the matter a difference of opinion amongst the ulema is false; there is no disagreement in the matter from amongst the ahlus Sunnah.

    and peace and blessings upon our Master Muhammad and upon His Family and Companions.
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  9. omar zeb

    omar zeb New Member

    The Return Of Isa (Jesus peace be upon him) | Shaykh Asrar Rashid
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  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    on pdf pages 23-34 of this book Imam suyuti reiterates his support for not just the possibility but also the occurrence of awliya meeting the Prophet (peace be upon him) while awake and taking knowledge from him (peace be upon him) - and not only intimating those present in the gathering about it, but also blessing others with this immeasurably good fortune.

    And Allah ta'ala knows best.
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  11. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

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  12. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    [Nisa 4:159] There is not one of the People given the Book(s), who will not believe in him (Eisa ) before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them.

    this aayah, revealed more than more than 1425 years ago, proves:-

    a. That Syeduna Eisa (alayhe asSalaam) was alive - until the revelation came; going against that would be Kufr. The majority of ahleSunnah believe that he is alive.

    b. All the People given the Book(s) will believe in him before he tastes death. we - the Ahle-Sunnah - say this has not happened, as there are million of Jews, who still haven't left their faith; and there are hundreds of millions of Christians who do not believe Syeduna Eisa to be a 'Prophet'. (They have other wrong beliefs about him, which do not count).

    therefore abu laith must prove the following:-

    1. that Syeduna Eisa had tasted death any time between the revelation and until now.

    2. that all the people given the Book(s), started to believe in him before he tasted death. in other words, he will have to prove that all of them became Muslims.

    a. If he doesn't change his opinion regarding the first issue (with or without proof), abu laith would be going against the majority of scholars of ahle-Sunnah (PS: we don't consider him a scholar, within the minority either).

    a. If he doesn't change his opinion regarding the second issue (with or without proof), abu laith would be out of ahle-Sunnah.

    since when did "not mentioning" by someone, become an "evidence" in Shariah?
  13. Juwayni

    Juwayni Well-Known Member

    @AR Ahmed As Salāmu ʿAlaykum,

    Can you please check your copy of 'The Four Imams' for the discussion on " 'ala suratihi ", as I recall there was ta'wīl given for that narration.
  14. Ibn Hadi

    Ibn Hadi Ya Ghaus e Azam Dastageer

    1.It is stupid for him to claim to be Maliki but rely on a retarded Mujassim like Ibn Uthaymeen.

    2. Also, the scholars interpreted the hadith in Bukhari to mean that Allah created Prophet Adam in a perfect form. ( Meaning Prophet Adam was a complete human being. It doesn't mean Allah has a form or that Adam looks like God.)

    Anyone who studied basic Aqeedah texts and Kalam would know these things.

    Abu Layth is reaching new levels of stupidity.
  15. Hashim Aftab

    Hashim Aftab New Member

    he also rejects the hadith in sahih muslim regarding dajjal, he cites salih al - uthaymeen, who rejected it because it didn't make sense to him, even though he acknowledged it was authentic. he then goes on to suggest imam malik rejected the hadith in bukhari about Allah creating sayyiduna Adam (alayhi'salam) in his form, suggesting that this was taken from Genesis and has no basis in Islam.
  16. Hashim Aftab

    Hashim Aftab New Member

    in mufti's latest video, he actually gets to the point, and mentions the reasons why he rejects the second coming of sayyiduna isa (alayhi'salam), these are the some of the silly points he mentions:

    1. all (if not most) of the hadith relating to the nuzul are narrated from imam al- zuhri. imam malik possessed twelve-thousand hadith from al- zuhri which he refused to place in his collection because they were 'ghayr ma'qul' - implicitly suggesting the hadith regarding the nuzul are the same.

    2. in his muwatta, imam malik narrates all sorts of hadith, but there is no mention of the nuzul (an extremely silly point)

    3. Allah tells us in the qur'an that everything has its own nature/tarbiyya. e.g, but the hadith regarding the second coming suggests that lions will become 'vegetarians', grazing side by side with its prey, children will be playing with snakes etc etc

    4. the hadith pertaining to the nuzul contradict what we already know about sayyiduna isa (alayhi'salam). i.e. that he was extremely gentle, caring, loving. during his second coming, he will "kill" all the kufaar who reject islam. they will be given a choice between the sword and islam. this also contradicts qur'an, wherein Allah tells us that there is no compulsion in the religion.

    5. he will slaughter the pigs, why an earth would he do that?! imam malik in his muwatta mentions that sayyiduna isa (alayhi'salam) walked past a pig once and said, 'go by, with peace'. again, another blatant contradiction.

    there are much more that he said, i have to commend him for getting to the point as most of his videos are an utter waste of time. having said that, his points are absolutely ridiculous. i will leave it to the learned brothers to refute his points.
  17. Ibn Hadi

    Ibn Hadi Ya Ghaus e Azam Dastageer

    His background is so shady. He is clearly doing all this to make money.

    I feel these guys who misuse the term "ijazah" and claim to adhere to madhabs are far more dangerous than open Wahhabis/ghair muqallid/etc
  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    how about zombie attacks and led by dracula? he dresses up for that part.
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    CHISHTI Well-Known Member

    So if abu layth disbelieves in the descent of Hazrat Eisa Aleyhis Salaam...then does it also follow that he denies Hazrat Imam al Mahdi, dajjal, gog & magog as these are all inextricably linked to each other?...what happens to Islamic eschatology according to "mufti" layth? Has he explained how he believes the end of the world will come about?
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  20. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    [Nisa 4:157] And because they said, “We have killed the Messiah, Eisa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah”; they did not slay him nor did they crucify him, but a look-alike was created for them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they know nothing of it, except the following of assumptions; and without doubt, they did not kill him.

    a. The person they crucified and subsequently killed, was the Jew who tried to betray him.
    b. It means the same single person, not two.
    c. Those who doubt, are following the Christians.

    [Nisa 4:159] There is not one of the People given the Book(s), who will not believe in him (Eisa ) before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them.

    In this aayah, the Qur'an tells regarding the future, more than 1425 years ago:-

    a. That he is alive
    b. All the People given the Book(s) will believe in him before he tastes death.
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2018
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