Shahid Ali and Mufti Aslam with devbandis

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by Bidah Destroyer, Jun 6, 2022.

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  1. Shadman

    Shadman Active Member

    I too am looking for this evidence of takfir. I've heard about this from several people(netizens) but never saw any primary source of actual clips or texts.
     
  2. Shadman

    Shadman Active Member

    Why is this being brought up again?
     
  3. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Keep squabbling about ‘who said what’ ages ago. Pettiness galore. Move on.
     
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  4. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Please forward the evidence of the takfir, as well of the evidence of Shaykh Asrar's refutation of Irfan Shah's heresies following the khata episode.
     
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  5. Bidah Destroyer

    Bidah Destroyer New Member

    sh asrar has refuted irfan shah numerous times. Jalali is unreliable as he does takfir of Allama Khadim
     
  6. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    @Bidah Destroyer, why post the same thing in three different forums? No need to flood multiple forums with the same thing.

    You can make a start by getting in touch with Shaykh Asrar and ask him if he agrees with the fatwa from Bareilly shareef around Irfan Shah. If not why. That should suffice. After all finally he has the time on his hands to look back into this episode.
     
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  7. Bidah Destroyer

    Bidah Destroyer New Member

  8. Bidah Destroyer

    Bidah Destroyer New Member

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...GzMmThaznVMXaPm58SwyrQCE7l&id=100082286252550

    Shahid should not attack Sh Asrar for criticising on khata issue as Dr Jalali is unreliable by having done severe takfir of Allamah Khadim Rizwi and comparing Allama Khadim to Tahir Qadri. Then afterwards he prays Allama Khadim's funeral without a retraction. Sh Asrar's comments were balanced and he criticised Irfan Shah for Unwarranted takfir too, a point ignored by Shahid and Aslam Bradfordi.
     
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  9. Ethical_Barelvi

    Ethical_Barelvi Active Member

    Poor Awaam and Young people in schools, colleges and universities.
     
  10. rawatrwi

    rawatrwi New Member

    good point. article 18(1) guarantees everyone the freedom of thought, conscience and religion, which includes ‘freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching’.

    although this also covers theistic, non-theistic and atheistic beliefs as well as the right not to profess any religion or belief. the state can have a powerful impact upon the life of a religious person. it is capable of restricting their religious practices by reference to other goals which it wishes to pursue. the western thought is a man-made and secular thought; therefore, its standpoint on human rights and civil liberties is entirely different from that of Islam.

    dr. iqbal very rightly advised: guard against atheism and materialism. the biggest blunder made by europe was the separation of church and state. this deprived their culture of moral soul & diverted it to atheistic materialism.

    interestingly, the record of freedom of speech and religion is not much older in the west as it is claimed today. when we discuss the western liberties and rights the magna carta is considered as the basic document of the western world, however, where does it mention this ‘right’?

    freedom of thought, speech and religion, especially in the medieval ages was not found in any constitution, charter and commission of the western country. rather, the church punished people for their struggle to get freedom of expression; they call it the ‘dark ages’.

    the truth is that when we look into the history of western thought there was no concept of rights and freedom before the renaissance, the church opposed it. all western laws and institutions understand that religion is separate from practical life.

    does freedom of expression include the right to openly ridicule the religious values of others? the answer is no because according to law, if my hand touches another's nose then it should be stopped. western scholar immanuel kant says: i am free to move my hand but the freedom of my hand ends where your nose begins. the west should try to understand the sensitivity of the matter because their free hands are not only touching but are hurting our hearts.

    blasphemy against our beloved Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم has a long history in the west. blasphemous statements of the orientalists in the name of ‘research’ are an eye witness of it.

    moreover, the legal constraints are not sufficient to stop religious defamation because the freedom of speech is unlimited and legal restrictions are either partial or nonexistent. if we want to solve these issues we must limit the freedom of speech with some social, moral and legal regulations on an international level.
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Does Saqib even know about riaz shah's rifd and anti-Ameer Mu3awiyah stances?

    People like riaz shah, hanif qureshi, munawwar jamati and many more closet shias love to show themselves as staunch Sunnis when they're anything but.

    Then you have to also provide a context to the pic like abu Hasan said.
     
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    when was this? and what was the occasion?
    photos themselves do not tell the full story.
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what do you want me to speak about?
     
  14. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Well-Known Member

    Agreed

    After watching the interviews, i think sunnis have bigger fish to fry. Rather than fighting over petty issues among ourselves, i think its time to unite (not with deos) and keep aside peer-mureedi wars.
    LGBT, atheism and now movies such as these.

    we cant be wasting time fighting among ourselves and killing our own scholars over trivial issues. However, on the other hand i do believe scholars should realize their duties and act within the boundaries of shariah and avoid any behavior contrary to the sunni creed and methodology. If we have issues, rather than starting wars on youtube (like shahid sahab) we should sit down with our senior ulama and resolve them.
    always keeping the above in mind.

    Sunnis now need to prepare better responses to these filthy shia.
    Studying the law is important so that we can fully understand "freedom of speech" "equality" etc. better, which can improve our responses to such people.

    Also sunnis need to avoid movies/dramas as a "means" to learn deen. Many shows have been created like "the umar series" and "ertugal" that use characters to depict the awliya and sahaba, which is disrespectful to the sahaba and awliya. I feel very soon these shias will use these dramas to back them up. So its best of sunnis speak up against every drama created to show the lives of sahaba and awliyah and learn deen from books and by sitting with ulama, rather than being glued to tv screens watching dramas where their authenticity is questionable.
     
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2022
  15. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Why are you getting so emotional? People on this forum have spoken out against Shahid Ali on a good few occasions and have even objected to Shaykh Asrar on certain occasions. At the end of the day both Shaykh Asrar as well as Shahid Ali sahib are Sunni no matter the differences the two have. Neither Shaykh Asrar sahib's sitting with questionable people has taken him out of the folds of Ahle Sunnat and neither has Shahid Ali sahib's joining forces with deviants for a common Muslim cause made him a non Sunni!
     
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  16. Bidah Destroyer

    Bidah Destroyer New Member

    Why hasn't aqdas and Abu Hassan spoken yet, Where has A'la Hazrat gone now?
     
  17. Bidah Destroyer

    Bidah Destroyer New Member

    Why did Shahid attack Shaykh Asrar for sharing the stage with fultolis, when fultolis are not deobandi. Shahid himself has shared stages with deos who defend the kufr of deoband.
     
  18. Hanafi786

    Hanafi786 New Member

    Saqib with Shia Riaz Shah
     

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