Shaykh Asrar Interview

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  1. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    I am appalled at the rate at which Naat Khwaani's are turning into qawwali like recitations; hard to spot the difference when you see beardless, (young or old) men donning the stage, dresses like grooms - getting more attention than the Ulema; being showered with shouts of Subhaan-Allah, and of course lots of money; sometimes accompanied with video recordings, professional hi-fi sound systems, and sometimes with music.

    add to it the shameless shrieking & screaming of these Naat & Salaam reciters - at the top of their voices - right next to the minbar shareef, inside the masajid. does the highest decibel, mean the best Kalaam or prove the sincerity of reciter or the acceptability of the Salaam (and the Dua's within it)?? astaghferu-Allahe- alAzeem.

    no adab for the sacred kalaam; no adab for the masajid; no adab for Ulema seated there; and no adab for the pure souls of the prophets / saints who come there (don't we claim that they come, and that is why we stand up in Salaat o Salaam?).
     
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  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    btw, imam nablusi's quote was to prove instruments haram and the so-called 'qawwali' of our times as haram. not in favour of it. this actually refutes saqib shami's ambition to make qawwali 'popular'.

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    in the excerpt below, by nablusi:

    therefore, [sayyidu't tayifah] junayd [baghdadi] raDiyallahu anhu was asked why he left listening to sama'a, and he replied: "with whom should we listen?" and when he was told: "why don't you listen to it, just yourself" he replied: "from whom should i listen?"

    that is sayyiduna junayd says that in HIS time, people who were qualified to listen to sama'a were very few - and he also highlights that the person reciting should be a qualified person; nay, a gnostic himself!

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    it seems saqib shami is an aarif better than junayd baghdadi. because not only does he himself listen to it, he wants to make it popular. and those fussaq singers - are better than reciters from junayd's time.

    sub'HanAllah.
     
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  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    If I got you correctly brother, what you are saying is that the scholars should let the common people know the divergent views on a mas'ala, taking care to put the information in a proper context so that when they hear those same views from the "reformers and intellectuals" crowding social media, presented in a different light, it may not come as news to them and, on the contrary, they be able to detect corruption/agenda, if any, and not be taken in by sophistry.

    well, maybe, provided the audience is indeed mature enough to handle it. I do not deny that there is a section of people out there who would like to trusted with, made privy to, the knowledge that - in the sheaves quietly layeth, smiling a 'knowing' smile.

    My only concern is that - let that knowledge be earned - rather than be given away for free.

    for once, and this is a first, I find myself agreeing only partially with what shaykh asrar said in that interview. Or maybe I misunderstood him. There is a reason that those who spoke in blanket terms did so.

    He himself mentioned a group of people who are incapable of or do not have the time or inclination to delve into the details and nuances of masa'il - this group can surely do with "absolute three word rulings", whether they like it or not - for they are prone to dismantling ornate and complex discourses into simplistic bundles of black and white. For them it's either 'yea or nay' and the intricacies be damned.

    I see that the shaykh is doing a lot of things differently. It's an experiment and the results are not yet in. Let's wait till finis coronat opus.

    And Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
  4. Saiq ilal Khayr

    Saiq ilal Khayr New Member

    bismilla

    Allah reward you brother for the response.

    no doubt, this is all subject to context, location and environment. that's of course the nature of ifta'... the madh-hab of the layman is that of his mufti. but herein lies the problem - today, most of the so-called educated have a rudimentary knowledge of the basics... as well as an internet connection! more often than not, they are not satiated with blanket, absolute three word rulings. whether this is a good thing or not is one discussion, but the reality is people are already looking elsewhere, and as soon as - in this example - they discover that Nabulsi talked about alaat, they'll run away with it and draw erroneous conclusions with detrimental consequences.

    whereas had you given them an overview of the bigger picture (no doubt, dependant on the listener's aptitude), you'd have avoided such a situation.

    it's context dependant like i mentioned, so i completely feel your sentiment. the faqir speaks with a fair bit of experience dealing with Muslim university students in the UK. people harbour serious doubts about the usul of the religion (the main reason for the need to explain and differentiate the qat'i from the dhanni). as far as music is concerned, virtually everyone is engaged with it to one extent or the other - and i suspect this is the case pretty much everywhere, with people from every walk of life today (including roudy murids of our ultra-strict muftis, judging by their YouTube pages!!)

    by mentioning the subtelty, along with the conditions and wisdoms behind those conditions, you'll have the effect of getting people to at least stop and reconsider what exactly they let into their heart, through their ears... or else, i'm sad to say, based on what the faqir sees around him at least, the voice of scholarship will dissipate into sheer irrelevance (which is obviously is in no one's interest).

    it's also clear that sh. Asrar finds himself in the same context, and it's interesting to see his response!
     
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    doesn't seem so evident to me.

    and the less clear-cut ones, will be considered by many, profound enough to awake something else..

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    if you think that, in our times, people appreciate the difference between theory and practice and can see a rukhsat without rushing to take it, then, I am afraid, you haven't quite understood our times.

    anyways, that's my opinion.

    wa's salaam
     
  6. Saiq ilal Khayr

    Saiq ilal Khayr New Member

    i don't think any scholar worth his salt, of whatever persuasion, would disagree with the excerpt posted above.

    however, irrespective of the position one holds re: sama', it seems evident that mentioning and publicising the subtelty involved (i.e. that it's not a qat'i ruling, and that some permitted it, however stringent the conditions they attached to it) is healthty for our community.

    in a certain context, a blanket ruling of impermissibility may well 'block off the means' to haram. sadly, one of the symptoms of the widening of the so-called 'educated' class, is that many find themselves in a state of semi-literacy especially concerning religion. whether we like it or not, this reality must be acknowledged; one of the best ways it seems to tackle this, is to emphasise to people that which is clear-cut and unaccepting of difference, juxtaposed with that which is indeed subject to valid difference, from a theoretical standpoint at least.

    that way, people are more likely to avoid clear-cut kufr and bid'a, and less likely to be caught up in furu'i debates. those clear-cut prohibitions - even if few - are profound enough to awaken an individual's conscience. and that's truly all we need!

    "from that which people grasped of the earliest prophetic discourse: if you have no shame, do as you please."
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    imam abd al-ghani nablusi himself says:

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