Shaykh Asrar on Mawlid Debates

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  1. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran


    Isnt the first level of proper Hijab for a woman staying in the house? Isnt it haraam for those Tv presenter women to even go to the studio since exiting the house without an Islamic need is not allowed? Also about the women wearing loose dupatta alone then yes it is a shame Muslim women go outside like this when in fact such manner of dress is more suitable for inside the house.
     
  2. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Mufti Akmal:

    The culture in Mawlid programs these days is that the host (naqeeb e mehfil) asks the crowd to "raise one hand on Naara e Takbeer and two hands on Naara e Risalat, and those who really love RasulUllah (Sallalaho Alyhe Wasallam)..or..wish to go Madinah will do it". All this is not needed and useless.

    A few days before in Punjab (Pakistan), a host asked people to test their Eemaan, "Those who do not love RasulUllah raise their hand?" A guy mistakenly raised his hand. An ignorant molvi sitting on the stage, declared the guy to be a Gustaakh e Rasool. The guy went home, cut his hand off, put it in a tray and sent it to the Molvi with the message that the hand that has done blasphemy needs to be chopped off.

    The ignorant molvi is responsible for this incident. There was no need to ask any such question at all. This raising hand slogans need to be stopped.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=940809849331588&id=100002077446994
     
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  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    thanks bro. btw, his facebook sob-sob story says Sh Asrar spoke in between, but in the video it just looks like the speaker and him both are anti-tahir and both speaking against him

    it's simply awesome that tahir was brought up and his admirers had to listen to it. may Allah humiliate all of them even further.
     
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  5. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    https://www.facebook.com/HAROONIQ/videos/10208341678357597/

    If it doesn't work - let me know.

    It's the same zombie who was justifying St Patrick's Day
     
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    any links, or transcripts of those words and the circumstances they were uttered in?

    and is that ticked off miskeen tahir's son? kinda looks like him.
     
  7. Haqbahu

    Haqbahu Veteran

    Good to see that both Shaykh Asrar and Imam Asim spoke about Tahir in front of a big gathering.
    The Minhajis are feeling cornered.

    It would be good that at least all English speaking Ulama (like Mawlana Saqib Shami, Mufti Munawwar and Mawlana Ijaz) unite on this issue, and make their stance publicly known regarding the minhaji cult.
     
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  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    good. very good. Allah ta'ala preserve shaykh Asrar and increase him in knowledge and taqwa.
     
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  9. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    Looks like the few words of Shaykh Asrar rattled many
     

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  10. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    The whole cake things should not be an issue, since its just a national sweet, for instance we have halwa, laddoos, jalaebees, etc (indo-pak), now the issue arises is when people making cakes the shape of the blessed Nalayn, and Gumbad-e-Khazra, and then they all cut it and digest it , there is no Adab in this (ironically its made by those who are adherent to the adabiyya path). I mean our fore-fathers and mothers were bigger lovers than us, and they were also better cooks , so if they wanted they could have made nalayn shaped cookies or ghumbad shaped laddoos. Al-Hadm-LiAllah they had gheerat in them not to commence these foolish ideas.



    Also, it should be eaten and distributed like any other sweet, else it is copying the kuffar; by doing this whole inaugural speech and cutting with the knife . Honestly can someone inform me how this whole mawlid cake trend began, from personal observation it started around 4 years back?
     
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  11. Moriarty

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  14. ghulam raza

    ghulam raza New Member

    What is the difference between Shaykh Asrar calling salafis 'brother' and Tahir Minhaji calling Shias 'brothers'?

    I apologise if this has been answered previously.
     
  15. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    If they are مومنون then it is not questionable. If they are not then they are all disbelievers.
    You would need to provide a legal judgement from a fiqh book for what you have deemed 'questionable'.

    When the scholars would mention معتزلة they would refer to their Ulama in the kalam works.

    Refer سبيل النجاة of Imam or the احيا or فتاوى الحرمين of Ala Hazrat.
     
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  16. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Active Member

    If Imam Asim called dawah-man as brother then that is much worse than Shaykh Asrar's statement.

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    Even if brothers was used for the salafi laymen, it is still questionable because even the salafi laymen are misguided/misled to a certain extent.

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    As for your quotation and presenting of the ayah, would it be permissible to call the khawarij and mutaziliya as 'brothers' because most scholars have deemed them to be deviant but have not collectively done takfir of them? Even the deviants, whose deviancy has not led them to leave the folds of Islam, are still not worthy of respect. It is necessary to disrespect them.

    But I can understand that he was only referring to the laymen and a mountain shouldn't be made of a molehill.

    P.S
    Still waiting for a reference for the Hadith.
     
  17. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Note also that Imam Asim continuously refers to Imran bin Mansur as 'brother' yet the latter is a caller to innovation.

    People on here picked up on Asrar's comment but not this.
     
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  18. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Six years ago he took on the UK Wahabis and at that time very little people supported. Those who said he was extreme have now fallen into debates with Wahabis. In 5 years from now people will look back at this again.

    As for him calling rhe Salafis brothers when asked he said he was addressing the laymen who deems to be muminin and the Quran states انماالمومنون اخوة

    He has the same position as before that the callers to innovation are the ones shunned, and treated harshly and not the latymen.
     
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  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I only just got round to watching the video.

    I can see shaykh asrar's words in this and other recent lectures as a strategic shift in methodology. He is fencing himself inside the bastion of matters which are beyond dispute, incontrovertible, except for those who have already reached the point of no return. Seeing the situation in the west, I can appreciate where he is coming from. He wants to narrow down the debate to something more manageable and easier for the laity to grasp.Not because he himself lacks conviction or evidences but because the general populace is so gullible and easily swayed by whispers.

    There are tens of issues and the opponents use the furu'i issues to distract and divert attention away from the core ones. I think he is trying to shift the focus of online and offline debates to issues in which the opponents have little room for dissent. (see how bananaman cleverly sneaked 'ilm e ghaib into the list of furu').

    I don't think he will start criticizing sunnis who do call their gatherings as mawlids or who recite the burdah instead of tala'al badru 'alayna.

    Although, personally I would never call salafis 'brothers', I agree with Moriarty that he is referring to the more innocuous of the lot who haven't gone over completely yet. He also asked that if we stuck to the sunnah would there be issues amongst muslims? The simple answer is yes, because some people's livelihoods depend on that. But may be he meant it rhetorically, that there should not be any issues.

    All in all, seeing UK's conditions, I think his statements were not too far off the mark. Whether his methodology will prove to be a game changer or not, only time will tell.

    And Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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  20. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    Shaykh Asrar wasn't given the opportunity to speak never the less he clarified that Sunni Masjids should not call innovators like Tahir Minhaji.
     

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