Shaykh Nazim has passed

Beyshak, thats why I had looked into it, found some unsettling things, my husne-dhunn would be conspiracy against the shaykh,
here is a link basically showing the gist of things (youtube , add /watch?v=EYuvgxfmPHA.)(Recommended you watch at your OWN RISK, lest you lose your husne-dhun).

 

A Turkish friend of mine was telling me that Cubbeli Ahmet, was caught in a scandal of some sort, it was aired on the news I think, personally I don't trust the guy.

 

jazakAllahu khayran for all this info.

you have also summarized the conclusions from shaykh cubelli's statement well.

as for theorizing about qiyamah and Imam Mahdi's (raDiyAllahuanhu) appearance, that cannot be held out against a person unless he makes an absolute statement or hints that he got to know that from the realm of the unseen etc. Then the person appears dodgy because if there was any benefit in revealing the exact time of al-qiyamah to the masses then rasulAllah (peace be upon him) would have done so.

Infact, theorizing could even be done to put out the fitna of pseudo-sufis who regularly hand out end-of-world predictions, to enable the masses to concentrate on more urgent issues.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

wassalaam.

 

check out these videos on adnan oktar (harun yahya) + Mahmut Efendi (the shaykh Tajush Shari3ah visited in Turkey)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=adnan+oktar+mahmut+efendi+mehdi

according to adnan, he has cited a (bogus or true) claim on tv in which it is alleged that Mahmut Efendi has said that he won't die without making bay3at at the hands of Imam Mehdi according to a dream in which he (Mahmut Efendi) saw the Prophet, 3alaihis salam.

https://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OmbVMr4Y4 - i didn't embed the video due to adnan's "kittens" (that's what he calls the ladies on his show) - join the www, and copy paste in the browser.

Mahmut Efendi's khalifa on the other hand, Cubbeli Ahmet apparently says that Imam Mehdi shall arrive in 2160 based on what he understands and observes from the signs, sayings of elders, calculations etc. (https://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=tuNrD3-CA88, not embedded due to post size, didn't watch the video). in another video i remember seeing a couple of days back, Cubbeli emphatically said that don't worry about Imam Mehdi's zuhoor at least for the next 70-100 years, the signs are not all there yet.

this is a detailed video by Cubbeli on the signs of Imam Mehdi and Day of Judgment https://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=BA8_PlQrl-s

oktar (harun yahya) being the pathological liar that he is, might well have lied against Mahmut Efendi. there is another video on youtube where this matter is discussed on a talk show where people say (and i have no reason to doubt them) that oktar commits iftira against their shaykh.

 

Paraphrased and quick translation of what Cubbeli said:

Cubbeli Ahmet is asked his opinions on nazim (title). he (Cubbeli) says that as far as what he has seen, he's generally speaking a Sunni and a person with a lot of gusto (cezbeli, with a lot of jazba). because of that he can have some sayings or doings or thoughts of contention, like women kissing his hands. but because of these points of contention we (ie Cubbeli Ahmet) can't say that he isn't Ahle Sunnat. he is a person of knowledge, but due to some ahwaal due to his jazba, he can find himself misunderstanding in matters and things that violate the Shari3at like women kissing hands. because the Sahib Ash-Shari3ah is our beloved Prophet Muhammad, sal Allahu 3alaihi wa sallam, and only he has the authority to make something halal or haram. because of this no wali can make a halal as haram or a haram as halal. our job is to follow the Shari3at and this applies to everyone equally, no matter who he is. but as i said, generally speaking, and from an ae3teqadi point of view he is Ahlus Sunnah and someone we found in states of zikr ​

a passable answer for someone who hasn't drilled down into nazim's discourses or witnessed his levels of "knowledge" or doesn't know english to understand his Muslim-pope bhai-bhai stuff. though i don't know when it was uttered. apparently he's also said that nazim's lost his mind!

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this below video is posted most probably by nazim's mureeds where they show Cubbeli saying such that nazim lost his mind and that it is iftira (he did say nazim lost his mind, but it's part of a larger talk, and i can't figure out the context)



the subtitle at the beginning says:

(video title) fickle Cubbeli: the shaykh nazim lost his mind iftira​

Cubbeli, now says "lost his mind" to shaykh nazim, a man he once called Qutub and kissed his hand! ​

(the comments below the video are very reassuring to me as a desi, that we're not the only race involved in pir-politics)

 

The person in question has passed away and it's unseemly to harp on about his faults but the problem here is that his mureeds are still circulating such strange videos. I was watching something else and this one popped up in the side panel. another strange video. At 3:28 he says that "maybe after 3-4 jumuahs, he will be with us insha Allah". And people ask us why we oppose the haqqanis.

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A mehdi claimant is upset because his business is being hurt by haqqanis' constant and unhelpful predictions.

Watch this video if you want to de-stress, stand up comedy at it's best. The idiot doesn't know what 'principality' means but claims to know all sorts of secrets. The most pathetic part is him reciting a verse, accompanied by all sorts of hand-gestures as though making a grand pronouncement, and showing himself to be the fool that he is by reciting 'wa-la-hum' instead of 'wa-laa-hum' which changes the meaning completely! (at 15:00 mins). At 19:45 he reveals his real problem with the haqqanis

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what is being said in this video? AQ can you translate it please?

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KS hit the nail on its head here. There seems no other way out.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FefHUq5m0U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Shaykh Hafiz Bilal and his teacher Allama Rasul Baksh Saeedi duo.

 

http://www.sacredhouse.co.uk/index.php/education/sacred-texts#faculty

Cuzzie Yasir the Majlis has been set up but it looks like Pir Saqib, Mufti Monawwar and Maulvi Asrar are not academic enough for the Faculty of Sacred House.

Maulvi is keeping it real as Dean of the Bawiya Road Campus.

Choudry we need to revive Sufi Music from Potwar I would urge Maulvi to start a Faculty of Music at the Woodlands Campus. Teachers I would recommend are Kafi Sultani and Bilal Noshai.

Both these two brothers have received twenty years of rigorous training at the hands of masters of Islamic law and spirituality, and have been granted ijaza (formal authorization) to instruct students in the art and science of Sama by scholars from seven continents including Sayyid Fasiuddin, Ch Akram Gujjar and others.

 

obituary in the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10825296/Shaykh-Muhammad-Nazim-al-Haqqani-obituary.html

 

he should also organize a seminar highlighting the mistakes of Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Shafi3i and how his "research" is a better option for the masses.

 

Lol...................

 

Even more strange when Cuzzie mentions the Birmingham Six. One of them will not read the killer mistake as he is afraid to comment if his groupies ask him about it, one was convinced by manzur numanis load of tripe...

Ch Yassar you should draft the Muhaqqiq of Birmingham Hazrat Pir Sayyid Hasanayn Shah Rizvi Bukhari in to the Majlis al Ulama. Huzur can prepare the documents and give the backstreet Majlis some professionalism!

Hazrat Shah Sahib is a 'actual and real' Oxbridge graduate and not got a certificate for celta or tea making to flaunt for 'societal' purposes.

 

true, this is indeed sad, but it doesn't stop you rejecting innovations at least for yourself and those who you can influence.

i don't know why you are so obsessed about this issue of being avert or convert on forums. secondly, is it not you who was asked whether you were shaykh asrar's brother or not, and your response was quite slippery? to me it doesn't matter who is who, only aqaaid, views, and opinions are important.

the truth is that nobody on this forum is as covert as you think, many bothers know other brothers, it is only that everybody doesn't know everyone here. besides, i believe that many of us (including yourself) are doing whatever is in their capacity, and we don't need to provide list of it.

your complaint of our scholars being passive is almost 99% correct, specially for U.K, and i pray that sunni a.k.a barailwi ulama of uk take their responsibilities seriously.

 

That's my point: if the adept "ulama" can't be bothered signing anything or expressing their differences then we have no leg to stand on to be frank. So what effect will it have when a nobody states Shaykh Nazim is an innovator? None at all really. And it clearly hasn't had much either. It doesn't sound correct because you haven't seen it implemented yet. And when you do see it carried out you'll notice how effective it is.
Lets remain covert and express ourselves on forums for now. Cus we're not men enough to face each other and discuss.

 

but that is what refutation does, if it doesn't deal with religious necessities then there is no point in refuting. yes, it is true that it is not the job of every tom dick and harry.

 

very strange rule brother, from where did you get it?. what if at least 10 adept of them don't sign, will 9 of them work? or what if one scholar is equivalent to 10 (i don't know who)? will heresy not effect one's eman until 10 scholars put their signature on a verdict? sorry, if i sound sarcastic, but i'm just thinking out loud. you may be right but it doesn't sound correct to me.

 

Mass teaching of basic essentials of the religion. Until people do not learn their religious necessities they cannot distinguish between deviancy and orthodoxy.

Refutations are more effective when the audience is more aware of basic concepts, otherwise it is dismissed as something else.

 

i get your point yasser. i will just ask you what i asked of brother KS:

until we achieve what you speak of*, which may take a very long time, what is the alternative to this below:

*and in all honesty, i think it's a pipe dream, be it england or pakistan or india or anywhere else, considering the state of Muslims in general and specially real or perceived or delusional 'Sunnis'

 

To begin with I think some of you guys got the wrong end of the stick. No where did I imply let deviancy carry on. Far from it. Rather what I did say is let us tackle it productively. Productively means that 'several' well learned individuals speak upon a modern innovator and sign an agreement. Rather than one 'Irfan Shah or Asrar Rashid (both of whom although correct for the most part, may seem as though they're ranting and raving to a murid of a certain shaykh who's unfamiliar with these issues).

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I wasn't speaking about Brelwi scholars in Pakistan. I was on about the U.K. And clearly the state of Sunni Brewls in the U.k is most definitely not right.
So your reply doesn't stand.

2. I ain't gonna post another lengthy reply again and just cut to the chase:

basically we're really badly disorganised to openly call a major figure in society an innovator. Not based upon the grounds that I don't think he is one but based on the ground that its not in favour of maslaha. Why? Because the people airing their views at this point in time seems like hypocrites. For e.g if Yaseen or Asrar express their opinion about a certain innovator one may reply are you not a student of Mufti Yaar who still teaches at Sultan Bahu a mosque known for welcoming Ahl al Bid'ah. Or one may reply are you not a student of Saeedi Saab who welcomes and entertains a guy the likes of Afghani Rabbani who goes to Helmand and tells the poor/dying Muslims there how nice the British government is to him?

3. No Brelwi mosque hitherto in the U.K has implemented the more finer points made by Imam Ahmad Rida khan.
Among them are: praying janaza prayer out in the open and Eid (and although an excuse maybe that it's a cold country, I'm quite sure they can make that rule somewhat flexible based on the weather of the day), doing Azan outside the masjid (masjid here referring to the hall in which we actually pray and not the whole building), avoiding patterned carpets (due to distracting some from concentrating), straightening the rows in prayer (take Jumu'ah in a big mosque for expample in which the people wear skimpy clothes from which their backside shows when in sujud as well as the imam not stressing the utmost importance of standing shoulder to shoulder. And so on.

Someone may/will reply what has this got to do with Aqidah. I will reply, and have said many a time before, that the 'awam generally doesn't accept truth based on 'Aqidah but rather practicality. And that's not Iman as a whole but Iman in the sense of a major Shaykh committing a fallacy and accepting that he has from the mouths of people who are intertwined with cowboys. As the Brelwis in England are. If anything that's damaging because all it does is make that bechara realise how almost everyone's a hypocrite. And that's not the way it should be.

Now I move on to replying to objections made:

a. Noori asks why I said it wouldn't affect one akhira?
Well if ones not concerned about Shaykh Nazim at all and minds one own business in the sense that whether he's a Muslim or not or a Sunni or not doesn't really bother one then it doesn't affect ones akhira whatsoever.

Moreover if ones a murid then one must be informed of Shaykh Nazims mistakes/innovation in a proper manner

(proper manner meaning that several learned people sign an agreement and not someone like me or Abdul qadir approaching the murid in question here and telling him/her and shattering their whole world and perspective on life)

That's why I believe for now it doesn't concern our akhira. However once the young English speaking scholars form a committe of at least 10 adept guys who can issue views and sign them then no doubt it will affect ones akhira simply for not following what the scholars of ones local vicinity agree upon after thorough research and professionalism.

b. Sakti you misunderstood my whole post. If I was referring to Ulama in Pakistan I would be wrong. Also nowhere have I asked for unity. I've asked for professionalism. And Pakistan has that. We haven't got that. If you want to see it in Pakistan look at Jamias: Naeemia, Nizamia etc. who can counter the well organised (and no doubt once British funded) Dar al ulum Deoband as well as the even more organised Nadwa.

c. Ghulam I've answered your point about whether it does or doesn't affect a laymans akhira in point (a) above. As for my distinction of societal/real the following egs may suffice:

1. In a societal sense of California HY is shakh al Islam in actuality/real sense he's an innovator at least.

2. In a societal sense Keller is still a major shaykh in many parts of the world although he's an actual/real innovator.

3. In a societal sense TQ is shaykh al Islam according to many but is actually on par or worse than HY.

Now if that committe I speak was formed in any UK city alone I guarantee you that none of these guys would be visiting lecturers or have any murids left probably throughout the UK. So there wouldn't be any blind followers in nether a societal sense nor a real/actual sense.

Societal refers to 'awam who can't distinguish an innovator from Sunni not because they haven't read 'Aqida Tahawiya or Shifa and other works, but only because people like HY, Keller, tq and others are professionals at disguising their contradictions to Imams Tahawi and Qadi Iyad et al.

So then what do we do? We refer to learned ulama or students of knowledge. And if they don't answer (I doubt it if Shaykhs Yaseen, Amjad, Sjad were asked about even HY they'd give a convincing response or any response at all), then the next best step is to form that committe and effectuate Umur Ishrin also.

The mosques haven't still even agreed upon Umur Ishreen let alone the committee that I'm so adamant to see in effect!