Shaykh Shukri al-Luhafi on Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi

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  1. Aqdas

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  2. Harris786

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    Putting things into context
     

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  3. Harris786

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    look at Raja's arrogance he thinks he is a scholar
     

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  4. Jazakallah. The sunni perspective with regard to this would be quite obvious. However we want to hear what maulana yasin sabir and abul fitan al-himar adnaan raja say as they use this point as naqd when speaking to not as learned brothers as yourself. Also it's more interesting now that their peers manqabat for deobandi akram nadawi has come to surface.
     
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  5. abu Hasan

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  6. Abul fitan al-himar adnaan raja has a tendency to open doors in many fitan and always falls short to providing any substantial references for his claims.

    Maulana Yasin sabir and abul fitan al-himar adnaan raja should first of all present us with their concerns over fatawa ridawiyyah shareef and alahazrat رضي الله تبارك و تعالى عنه employment of mawdoo ahadith as istidlal.

    As yasin sabir and abul fitan al-himar adnaan raja used this as naqd against a brother. Which would mean they do genuinely believe that alahazrat رضي الله تبارك و تعالى عنه makes istidlal from mawdoo ahadees.
     
  7. Moriarty

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    For any naqd to be valid the maqis and maqis alayhi must be similar.

    Sayyiduna Abdullah bin Umar (Allah be well pleased with them) giving allegiance to Yazid does not have 'illah mushtarakah which is a condition for naqd. Any intelligent person will tellyou that. If anything that example would have applied to Shaykh Buti (Allah have mercy on him).
    This حمار should have been asked to define maslahah. Even his pir made a basic mistake when saying the hudud were frozen in the time of Sayyiduna Umar رضي الله عنه due to maslahah. When in reality anyone who has studied مصالح will tell you that it was not frozen but the شروط were not fulfilled. حمار should have been asked regarding ضرورات, لوازم , and تحسينيات of maslahah and its application.

    Much can be said on these things but this is why this cult avoids face to face dialogue and have been ordered to boycott and shun people.
     
  8. Abul fitan adnaan raja didn't read ilm. He just self studied bit like albani to be honest.

    "Lakh hazar kitaban pariyan, par zalam nafs na marda hu."
     
  9. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Well-Known Member

    The manner in which Adnaan refers to the Ulema of the sub-continent is appalling.

    'Ilm Parya Tey Adab Na Sikhya, Ki Layna Ilm Nu Parh Kay Hoo'
     
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  10. Abul fitan adnaan raja as agreed upon previously by many people is the root of a range of fitan. We are well aware of what he studied who he studied with and how he studied. Also how he broke his bayah with many peers before giving bayah to shaykh yaqoubi not to mention those bayahs were broken most likely on non shar'ee grounds.

    As for what abul fitan adnaan raja has mentioned with regards to some of the luminaries of the ahlu sunnah, the fact is that their positions on the deviant sects is well known across the globe amongst the Arab and Ajam. These ulema weren't programmed to just take at bite a deobandis at every chance and other deviants in everything rather they were more mature than this. The fatwas or passages presented by abul fitan do not prove that they supported any deviant's beliefs.

    Since when did working with a deviant necessitate sulha kulliyat?

    I agree with Moriarty that abul fitan adnaan raja is a thick donkey.
     
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  11. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    Yes, the fatwa is found in fatawa e mustafawiyya. But adnan didn't mention the second half of the fatwa which basically states that those gatherings with the deviant sects which are not necessary or involve respect/love for each other are impermissible and forbidden.


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  12. abu Hasan

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    let us assume that all this happened just as claimed.
    did the said ulama ever promote deobandis or called them ulama of ahl al-sunnah? did they ever become guests of deobandis and speak in their conferences and madaris? did they ever shy of publicly speaking against deobandis?
     
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  13. Harris786

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    Any truth behind this?
     

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  14. Harris786

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    It was actually a response to one of @abu Hasan's posts that I sent him.
     

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  15. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Whoever said that is a donkey. The worst and thickest cult member.
     
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  16. @ Harris786

    Ask mufti sahib which one of the following options does he choose in this masala of bayah.

    1) Mufti sb is a muqallid of shaykh asrar.
    2) Mufti sb is a ghayr muqallid of shaykh asrar
    3) He is a ikhwani pick and choose/mood swinger when his heart says follow shaykh asrar follow when it doesn't don't.
     
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  17. abu Hasan

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    my question is, will yaqubi use the same 'tafseeri explanations' for other hadith? to wit:

    1. hadith of muslim:
    five things are the right of a [muslim] human upon his brother:

    he should reply to his salam
    he should say 'may Allah's mercy be upon you' when he sneezes*
    he should accept his invitation
    he should visit him when he is sick**
    he should attend his funeral

    *this fraternity will probably feel overjoyed upon discovering gesundheit.
    ** bikur holim, anyone?

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    2. hadith of muslim:
    it is not permissible for a [muslim] human to be displeased [and thus forsake] with his brother for more than three nights...

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    3. the qur'an verse: 49:10.
    all humans are brothers.

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    4. hadith of bukhari:
    a [muslim] human is a brother of another [muslim] human;

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    now replace muslim wherever you want with 'human' and you have a beaming nasr: "i told you so!"


    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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  18. Qibla "mufti" sahib you say you took bayah with peer yaqoubi sahib due the praise of shaykh yaqoubi back in the days by shaykh asrar and munawwar. Today the same people are saying shaykh yaqubi has deviated on core issues if you are true then at least consider leaving your peer. Or is it that you was always the slave of your own nafs, and shaykh asrar is your scapegoat.

    Shaykh asrar said he is a qattar sunni= I took bayah.

    Shaykh asrar is saying he is not a "qattar" sunni= I should break bayah.

    With all due respect I'm failing to follow through "mufti" sahibs mantiq in this.
     
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  19. abu Hasan

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    likely story. i wrote a rather dismissive statement about the guy's explanation, but it appears he is some sort of a 'scholar', so let us assume he is mistaken.

    "tafseeri translation" is made when one has to 'translate' an ayah or a hadith that is apparently contradicting our core beliefs; and has to be reconciled to explain in a manner that it doesn't contradict core beliefs. this cannot be generalised to do a fancy interpretation for everything.

    the rule is, that we must take everything according to the external, UNLESS compelled to reconcile FOR the core-beliefs, core-principles.

    if you make that absolute, there would be nothing wrong with the study qur'an of the perennialists. anyone can claim anything with that unbounded 'principle'.

    i am surprised that this person is a 'mufti'. sub'HanAllah. he doesn't know the difference between:

    - literal translation (keeping the meaning/context intact)
    - literal translation (violates the context/ messes up the meaning)
    - non-literal translation (conveys the meaning / doesn't follow word-to-word correlation)
    - non-literal translation (does not convey the meaning/messes the meaning/falls short)​
    AND
    - a dishonest translation that is purposely distorted to suit an agenda.
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    the internet is just a source of information. while you can be skeptical of explanations etc.,[taking knowledge from anonymous sources on the internet] objections do not require authentication. objections have been raised and assuming you have a mind and are capable of thinking, you should certainly ask those questions.

    ironically, it is the internet that has made these people celebrities. many capable ulama have remained unknown as they do not have facebook and twitter accounts; nor photo-ops that make them famous.

    you can bury your head in the sand, but the uncomfortable facts cannot vanish in thin air. the reluctance to refute the fitna of perennialism will not be forgotten so soon.
     
  20. Harris786

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    I was slightly confused when I first heard about the whole Hamza Yusuf situation so I messaged Muhammed Adnaan on Facebook he told me the relationship between Shaykh Muhammed al Yaqubi and Hamza Yusuf was similar to the the relationship of Sayidunna Abdullah Ibn Umar رضي الله ﺗﻌﺎﻟﯽٰ عنه and Yazid.

    We continued chatting and I asked him about sharing platforms with deviants which he responded with the following which I posted on forum

    http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/reconciliation.11943/

    Once I posted this on forum he blocked me.

    Point of post is, this isn't the first time Adnaan has made accusations against ulema of sub continent and not provided reference.
     
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