Shaykh Yaqoobi: Deos & Salafis and unity

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by AR Ahmed, Aug 14, 2019.

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  1. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    Mufti Shahib, could you clarify, the following? i did not understand,
    Is this about the early Hadith Scholars? a particular, fadhilat of Sayyiduna Imam 'Ali,(رضي الله عنه), rather then in general?

    "..sometimes, some of them believed that hazrat ali was superior to the rest of the creation after RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam (even though ibn Hajar doesn't say so, it is implicit that anbiya are excluded)...

    as for tashayyu in the parlance of later scholars - it is absolute rifD; the narration of a fanatical rafiDi is unacceptable, and there is no honour.

  2. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    I mean, the words go towards that way. But im doing ihtiyat in saying it is wrong and necessary to disagree with without accusing shaykh yaqubi of being on sullah kulliyat or sullah kullism while saying the words entail sullah kulli type thinking

    not justifying sh yaqubi's words btw- they are incorrect
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  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    It's textbook sulh kullism.
  4. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    maybe i went too far to call it textbook sullah kulliyat but its definitely troubling and wrong and necessary to disagree with
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  5. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    I used to respect Sh. Muhammad al Yaqoubi
    Until I heard this.....

    Astaghfirullah. This is textbook Sullah Kuliyat. And worse is his mention of Dr Tahir al Minhaji who has been known for his antics. He also mentions Hamza Yusuf Hanson, the mastermind of spreading perrenialist philosophy in the name of "traditional Islam".
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  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.
  7. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    Thank you. It's quite amazing that the Imam has risalas on this subject.
  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Some facets of this subject have been dealt with in Kitab al-Seer of Fatawa Ridawiyyah Shareef i.e. vol#14. The fataawa therein deal with questions of Hindu-Muslim unity and co-operation, political and social both, in the backdrop of the freedom struggle against the British.

    More importantly, a list of what not to do can be found in al-tari al-dari li hafawat abd al-bari.

    This Risalah is primarily based on three epistles of varying length - brief, intermediate and detailed. The intermediate sized letter lists the prohibited phrases/actions and the rulings about them while the detailed one quotes the sentences verbatim and provides proofs for the rulings listed in the former.

    I am simply surprised that this risalah was not quoted during the ubaidullah controversy - as several of the rulings mentioned in it apply to ubaidullah's words, spoken not just in Gujrat but also at Ashrafiya.


    This risalah is as important today as it was then - because, leaders and laymen alike are once again calling for a "unity" with hindu dalits, liberals and other non-muslim minorities, in order to jointly resist the hindutwa mercenary brigade that has come to control virtually all the reins of power in India.

    What is the extent of co-operation allowed by the shari'ah? Where should the lines be drawn? Muslim scholars need to address these and related issues and make them percolate to all the strata of the Muslim populace - and quickly too - as these are times of confusion and fear and the common man is wont to rush headlong into anything that offers even a remote hope of justice and safety - ergo - into the open arms of near-irreligious liberals.

    Two things that this risalah makes abundantly clear are:

    1. there can be no melding of the hearts between kufr and Islam and
    2. there can be no hope in the human congregation - only in Divine Mercy and Justice.

    This is not a call to passive inaction and despairing resignation but to realign the efforts, ideas, hopes and fears to the only effective source of succour.

    May Allah ta'ala have Mercy on Muslims everywhere and keep them steadfast on the thorn strewn path to His Rida.

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  9. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    We need a good book on this subject. What are the areas, limits, methods, and strategems for Muslims who want to be politically engaged.
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  10. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    In the Diplomacy, I feel people end up crossing a fine line, like the ones you quoted below ,but we do have diplomacy between Muslims our Ma'shaikh e Kiram,and Ahle Kitab I good example being Sayyiduna Abdul Ghani Al Nablusi (Qaddas Allahu sirruhu) https://cairo.universitypressschola...4162473.001.0001/upso-9789774162473-chapter-1

    I don't have the link to to book, but I do remember it being quoted, but one can find more specific narrations in his Journey "Rihla" Books about his diplomatic encounters with Christian priest under Arab / Ottoman Rule.
  11. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    Huzur Muhaddith-e-Kabeer's response

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  12. Jonaid202

    Jonaid202 New Member


    Attached Files:

  13. Jonaid202

    Jonaid202 New Member

    From 37 mins Sayyiduna Shaykh says Muslims carried crosses in honour of Christians
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  15. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    This passage from the muqaddimah of Imam Nawawi's majmu':

  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    how can yaqubi equate THOSE shiyi and those who call themselves shiah in our time who are rawafid who reject necessary articles of faith!
    are you telling me he does not know the history of shiah?

    إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون
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  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    tahdhib al-tahdhib v1/p94:


    to summarise the above: "in the parlance of the earlier (hadith) scholars, tashayyu means hazrat ali was superior to hazrat usman or that hazrat ali was in the right in the conflicts/wars (he had with other sahabah) and his opponents were wrong, but giving precedence to shaykhayn and superiority; sometimes, some of them believed that hazrat ali was superior to the rest of the creation after RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam (even though ibn Hajar doesn't say so, it is implicit that anbiya are excluded)...

    as for tashayyu in the parlance of later scholars - it is absolute rifD; the narration of a fanatical rafiDi is unacceptable, and there is no honour.

    dhahabi discussing superiority of hazrat ali over hazrat uthman says in his siyar a'alam: 16/457-458


    (dhahabi) i say: giving superiority to hazrat ali (over hazrat uthman) is not rifD/rafD, nor it is heresy. many saHabah and tabiyin held that view.

    anyway, in lisan al-mizan, ibn Hajar explains dhahabi's statement from mizan.

    lisan v1/p202:

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  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    1. those who elevate mawla ali over the shaykhayn raDiyAllahu anhum, without disparaging the latter are tafDilis NOT rafiDis. [even though ibn Hajar in hady al-sari called them mildest rafidi, according to the terminology of muhaddithin]
    2. the rafiDis are the vilifiers, the abusers, the rejecters and the fanatics.

    hady al-sari, p1238:

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  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    reposting some for ready reference:

    in mizan al-iytidal, dhahabi says (under the entry #2, aban ibn taghlib):
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  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    if yaqubi sahib does not clarify the statement about imam bukhari and shiah, by properly explaining the issue (he can look up hady al-saari), proper students of hadith should be wary of him. because this is dishonesty or ignorance. and both traits are undesirable in a scholar.

    on the usage of the term shiah, we discussed it some time ago:

    not very long ago, i liked and respected yaqubi. but not now. he has no responsibility towards islam or religious knowledge. if he did, he would have rallied against the "study quran" and those who promote it, instead of making snide remarks on those who criticise HIM. but he won't. hamza yusuf is his best friend - and i doubt yaqubi has the courage to speak against him. so what if study quran is a very big fitnah? one should not offend friends.

    in our times, hypocrisy is a virtue; hypocritical sweet-talk is deemed cultured and being refined. speaking plain truth and being frank is uncivilised and impolite. we have seen akram nadwi - and how pathetic his talks are (i sometimes think, yaqubi cannot understand akram's accent and hence doesn't understand what he says; i am fine because i am well acquainted with urdu-accented english). this jahil, heretic, wahabi is praised by yaqubi, betraying religious knowledge.

    as for tahir...sigh. i don't know why yaqubi is enamoured by such a charlatan.

    نسأل الله العافية

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