Shaykh Ya'qoubi and Tahir Jhangvi

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  1. Abdul Mustafa 786

    Abdul Mustafa 786 Active Member

    I retract the "Lol!" in my previous post because people being misguided by Prof. Tahir is no laughing matter. Rather we should make Shukr that by the Grace of Allah and the Sadqah of his Habeeb Sallalahu 'Alayhi Wa Aalihi Wasallam we have been protected from the perversions of Prof. Tahir. May Allah allow his followers to see the light and save us from every other fitna! Ameen
     
  2. Abdul Mustafa 786

    Abdul Mustafa 786 Active Member

    Now this is the height of clutching at straws. A "Tahirul Qadri" apologist uploaded a video entitled "Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi on Sheikh ul Islam". I watched the video and Shaykh Ya'coubi doesn't say a single word about "Prof. Tahirul Qadri". Lol!
    You have to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iats1qhLgBw

    For the record: a "Tahirul Qadri" apologist told me that Prof. Tahir is Shaykh Ya'coubi's teacher and Shaykh Ya'coubi has Ijazahs from him. I consulted a Mureed of Shaykh Ya'coubi who said that Shaykh Ya'coubi and Prof. Tahir have never exchanged Ijaazahs. He also said Minhajis are fabricating things yet again and that Shaykh Ya'coubi has stayed well clear of Tahir ever since Tahir's fallacies were presented to him. He said Shaykh Ya'coubi did attend a gathering hosted by Minhajul Quran in 2004 but this was before he was aware of Prof. Tahir's deviations.
     
  3. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    What have you done as "awaam e ahle sunnat"? Besides expressing cynicism for one group of clergy and misplaced husn-e-zann for another, anything that you can count for your contribution?

    Ask not what ulema ahle sunnat have done, ask what you have done for "welfare of the Muslims". (with no apologies to JFK)
     
  4. Sorry if I am harsh but the refrain, " 'ulema e ahle sunnat' should do something'" is just that. an empty slogan. i've known these ulema most of my life and, though I believe there are real ulema and saints in this world, --they must be hidden--all they care about is, 'I'm alright Jack!' They don't give a rat's bottom for the welfare of the Muslims.

    Its just like the Catholic clergy...using the poor people and sucking their blood in the name of islam. whether these mullahs are Sunni or Shia or Wahabi all they care about is fame and money and themselves.
     
  5. Abdul Mustafa 786

    Abdul Mustafa 786 Active Member

    Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya'coubi on Multifaith Dialogue

    Shaykh Sayed Muhammad al-Ya'coubi said in the same Takbeer TV interview wherein he said A'la Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan R.A. is the Mujaddid from Indo-Pak subcontinent:

    "I feel wallāhi, to be honest, I feel like...the... Imām Aĥmed Riđā Khān and our great shaykhs and their shaykhs in Damascus have drunk from the same river; from the same cup, even. This is what we were taught about... about the nūr of RasūlAllāh şallAllāhu alayhi wa āalihī wa sallam, about our connection and imagining, visualizing, our presence in front of RasūlAllāh şallAllāhu alayhi wa āalihī wa sallam, about being firm [on] who is Ahlu’s Sunnah and who is a deviator, about many issues."

    "And [we] find Imām Aĥmed Riđā Khān at that early time really predicted a lot of what is going on now. And wanted to put an end.. even he spoke about, for example, multi-faith dialogue - in that Al-Malfuzat. I was very happy to read this; as early as that time, writing and warning of it; warning of it, how it is going on now. Because multifaith dialogue for us is dáwah – is a way of dáwah. Presenting Islam or showing people the true way of Islam, the true nature of Islam. Rather than making concessions about our deen, as people are doing now".

    See video clip of Shaykh Ya'coubi interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b92u3Rh7oUc
    MP3: http://www.sunniport.com/audio/sh.yaqubi.mp3
     
  6. Little Shaam

    Little Shaam New Member

    Shouldnt the Ulema of the Sunni Movements be speaking up?
     
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2012
  7. muzammil786

    muzammil786 Guest

    I spoke to Imam Ijaz Ahmed Shami. Imam Sahib said that he was a guest and did not know that such non-Shari` things were going to be going on there and that he is against it.
     
  8. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    Pir Sahib will say nothing. Someone rang him and asked him about the event. He said in return I was forced to attend the even because of some people in the markaz who were dr sahibs fans. He said dr sahib never treated him and the ulema their well etc.

    When asked that will you refute him in open on this event, he go's no I won't do this. Its no point just one person speaking, when our Jamaat E Ahlesunnat scholars speak I will back them.

    As for Mufti Yaar Sahib, its a shame because the question was very clear and he missed everything out. Even though Ijaz changed the question because he was their at the event, but mufti sahib never went so he could of spoke up on the event. When they stopped Mufti Sahib refuting the evnt, what makes you say Pir Sahib will refute it when he was their.
     
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    yes, a major annual even like that would be ideal. i believe it's also the dastar bandi of graduating students and will also be aired on tv.

    as i said, silence is not an option. we will each go to our own graves where no one can come and help us. we will also be questioned about this on qiyamah and must voice our opposition and announce our dissociation from minhaj-ul-qiraan and its leader.
     
  10. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Would be ideal for Fiaz Sain to do it in the Urs and also boot out the Kellerites for doing Zikr in the masjid.
     
  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    our scholars should not be reserved at all when answering such questions. they know full well the questioners are asking about imam-e-minhaj and his antics and one sign of a good mufti is that he not only looks at the question, but also why it is being asked?

    in this case, the question was about addressing God as ram etc. and the reason why it was asked was only because of the conference of imam-e-minhaj.

    i cannot comment on whether mufti yar mentioned imam-e-minhaj but if not, then he should and so too should all our scholars. now's not the time to remain silent and neither is that an option. it is their duty to speak up. i would go as far as saying that the only reason why the takbir tv scholars haven't mentioned imam-e-minhaj by name yet is because pir fayyaz ul hasan was part of the wembley crowd.

    the scholars of sultan bahu need to have a meeting and agree and then issue a formal statement of their stance. the ulama and pirs should not see recantation as embarrassing but rather an act of modesty and piety.
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2011
  12. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    Well Brother Abu Hasan few days back their was a Gyarween Sharif gathering at Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib Mosque. All Dr Tahir ul Qadri crew students and Ulema were their. Moulana Junaid Alam Qadri from Minhaj ul Quran was their. So they haven't broke links and in that gathering Pir Sahib said I forgive the boy who gave me a piece of paper saying your time is up.

    But in that gathering Syed Riaz Hussain Shah Sahib who recently spoke against Sayiduna Amir E Muawiyyah RA. He was present in that gathering and he did attack prof tahir and said that if was present in the UK he would never let Pir Abdul Qadir go to that event.

    So I am not sure what is going on but a Brother spoke to Moulana Nisar Baig (main pir abdul qadir molvi) and he said they are still with dr tahir. They cannot break their link with him now because it will be a embarrassment!
     
  13. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    Few Brothers were saying here that they would like to see what Mufti Yaar Muhammad Qadri Sahib's views are on the event. Well Mufti Sahib was asked in his program and Ijaz Shami was the presenter, the caller asked this question:

    Mufti Sahib what would you say that if a muslim invites non muslims (mushriks) to his program and then invites them to pray and do their ibadat? Also what are your views on those muslims who were present their. Lastly if someone says that the word Allah is used only in arabic for our creator, but if someone says brahman or guru raam etc the meaning is the same.

    This was his reply:

    Peace for Humanity Conference & Dr Tahir ul Qadri - Mufti Muhammad Yaar Sahib:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eOxc7oejew

    The person asking the question spent much more time asking the question then him replying. Also Ijaz Shami changed the question saying is it allowed for a muslim to say brahman, guru raam etc.
     
  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    he isn't even tahir, leave alone qadri! he is najasul padri.

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  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    tahir jhangvi

    whatever the professor calls hisself, i won't call him qadri. is this what you call a qadri?

    a great man - raHimahullah - used to say: to be a qadri is to be a wali, and he would recite:

    qadri kar qadri rakh qadriyoN meiN uTha
    qadr e abdu'l Qadir e qudrat numa ke wastey.

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    call him tahir minhaji; tahir jhangvi. prof. tahir (he likes this - and doesn't like maulvi etc., which is below him) but don't call him tahir qadri.

    and his org is also minhaju'l qiraan.
     
  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    so if tahir deceives a dozen ulama - and poses for a foto op, you consider them to be devoted to tahir?

    in which case, tahir jhangvi is a rafzi for sitting with rafizis (don't laugh, this seems to be silly comparing to the blunders that man has made) and i hear that (through kaukab nurani sahib's vid) he hobnobs with actresses.

    so what does that mean?

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    regardless, all those people - pirs and maulvis who went to that conference should come out and exonerate themselves. ok, we can understand that you were misled, you were not expecting this (and you should learn to pick your friends from here onwards - and serves them right too for not speaking out earlier)

    it is still not too late. even alahazrat attended the first conference of nadwah - and when he realized the qiraan, he immediately announced his separation from the nadwah and refuted them.

    i hope pir abdu'l qadir will keep away from tahir. (see, how lucky pir sahib is! we sometimes think that something is bad for us, but it turns out to be good for us. this is a golden opportunity for him to come back.)

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    wa billahi't tawfiq.
     
  17. khadimu786

    khadimu786 Active Member

    looks like Saif Qarni got told:

     
  18. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Some of the Minhajis are saying:

    The above was posted by Saif Qarni on deenport:
    http://www.deenport.com/#E.T.H.A.B.H.A.End Under the LONDON DECLARATION thread.

    Where are those who represent the Shaykh? They must clarify this.
     

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