Sikh trustee of Alum Rock Masjid

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  1. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Abu Fayz are you using the above to justify Sikhs being trustees of Masajid?
  2. Abu Fayz

    Abu Fayz New Member

    some Barelwi scholars have used this - keys of the Ka'bah anecdote - as evidence for entrusting a trust to a non-Muslim ?

    It requires more than outbursts and shouting people down to respond in a serious manner and to be sincere to find the correct answer.

    Those who fall upon vulgarity pejoratives as a crutch are well described in the Islamic literature...

    Are you a serious for answers or blinded by your hate due to selective and prejudiced intellectualism .... I see the challenges but we need to come to the some real closure not just scatter gun nastiness...
  3. Abu Fayz

    Abu Fayz New Member

    Ibn Taymiyyah & others on trusting non-Muslims

    [FONT=&quot]In his book, Al-Adab ash- Shari‟ah, Ibn Muflih writes that Sheikh Taqi uddin Ibn Taymiyyah said: [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]“A credible Jew or Christian who has medical expertise may treat a sick Muslim. Such a person may, likewise, be entrusted with funds or other financial transactions, for Allah, the Exalted, says: [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]“Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with ahoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless youconstantly stand over them demanding it” (Qur‟an 3:75) [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]We find in a sound hadith that the Prophet, peace be upon him, hired a polytheist as a guide at the time of his migration toMadinah, so he entrusted him with his life and money. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]The people of the tribe of Khuza„ah, who were both Muslims and Non-Muslims, acted as scouts for the Messenger of Allah,peace be upon him. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]It is also reported that the Prophet, peace be upon him, ordered Muslims to seek treatment from Al-Harith ibn Kildah, who was a disbeliever. But when a Muslim physician with the expertise is available, one should seek his or her treatment and not turn to anyone else. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]The same applies when one has to entrust a person with funds or deal with him in business. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]If a Muslim has to confide in or turn to someone from the people of the Book for medical treatment, he may do so. It is not prohibited to befriend Jews and Christians. And when the Muslim has an opportunity to talk to them, he should address them in ways that are polite and[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]sincere. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Al-Khattab tells us that, „the Prophet, peace be upon him, sent a man of the Khuza„ah tribe to gather intelligence, and the Prophet, peace be upon him, accepted his report despite the fact that he was a disbeliever.‟ This proves, according to [/FONT]Abu Al-Khattab, that it is quite permissible to take the adviceof a non-believing physician for diagnosis and treatment,provided he is not suspected and his fidelity is not doubtful.

    [FONT=&quot]The Prophet ( saw ) employed Abdullah ibn Uraiqi, a polytheist, to be his guide on his “Hijra” (i.e. “flight; migration”) from Makkah to Madinah. Aisha narrated that:[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] The Prophet and Abubakr employed a man from the tribe of Bani Ad-Dail and the tribe of Bani „Abu bin Adi as a guide. He was an expert guide and he broke the oath contract which he had to abide by with the tribe of Al-Asi bin Wail, and he was on [/FONT]

    the religion of Quraysh pagans. The Prophet and Abubakr hadconfidence in him and gave him their riding camels and toldhim to bring them to the Cave of Thaur after three days. So, hebrought them their two riding camels after three days and bothof them (The Prophet and Abubakr) set out accompanied by
    „Amir bin Fuhaira and the Dili guide who guided them below
    Makkah along the road leading to the sea-shore.

    [FONT=&quot]Other trusted non-Muslims included Abu Talib , the Prophet’s beloved uncle, who gave the Prophet security in Makkah, and Mut’im bin ‘Adi, who was one of the leaders of Makkah that sympathized and helped the Prophet (saw ) especially during the years of the Boycott by the Makkans.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]It is also a well-known historical fact that the Prophet (saw ) trusted the Christian Ethiopian King, Negus, with the lives of the first group of Muslim refugees escaping persecution from the polytheists of Makkah.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Even as late in the sequence of revelation as the Farewell Hajj,the Prophet ( saw ) asked Al-Harith ibn Kildah , a non-Muslim physician, to treat the illness of Sa‟d ibn Abi Waqqas. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Trustworthiness, therefore, is an essential factor to consider when seeking the assistance of a non-Muslim, or anyone else for that matter[/FONT]


  4. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Abu Fayz are you using the above narration to justify Sikhs being trustees of Masajid?

    Abu Fayz were you doing pooja with the sikhs,Padri and your employer Fiaz at Wembley?
  5. Abu Fayz

    Abu Fayz New Member

    Keys of the Ka'bah given to a non-Muslim

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana]Is this a basis to entrust a trusteeship to a non-Muslim??!!

    Upon the conquest of Makkah then Having performed tawaf, the Messenger (sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) of Allah called Uthman ibn Talhah who had the key of the Ka'bah. The doors were unlocked and he went in. He had asked Uthman for the key before the hijrah to Madinah but he had received a rude answer and insults. He had shown tolerance by answering, Uthman, one day you will see this key in my hand. I will then put it where I wish.

    Uthman had retorted, 'The Quraysh will be destroyed and humiliated on that day.'

    'No, ' said the Messenger(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) of Allah, 'Rather it will be a day of prosperity and security for the Quraysh.'

    When the Messenger(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) of Allah came out of the Ka'bah, Ali ibn Abi Talib stood up holding the key of the Ka'bah in his hand. He said to the Messenger(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) of Allah, Grant us the guardianship of the Ka'bah along with providing water for the pilgrims.'
    The Messenger(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) of Allah asked, 'Where is Uthman ibn Talhah?"

    Uthman was summoned and the Messenger(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) of Allah said to him, 'Here is your key, Uthman. Today is a day of piety and good faith. Keep it forever as an inheritance. Only a tyrant would take it from you.'
  6. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Kattar can Sikhs be trustees of Masajid?
  7. medni

    medni Active Member

    maybe thats his old name and he has reverted
  8. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    ! ! ! ! !
  9. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

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