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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Inwardreflection, Mar 8, 2021.
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
General reply fo all the Salaams given
I don't disagree with you on that Di can be critiqued on some things, I'm not here to represent or defend them. But generally I think for Mureed guidance and getting them to follow Sharia and correct beliefs and understanding rulings they are on the ball, whereas we've seen those things definitely need more work on in the Haqqanis mureeds. Although I accept Shaykh Mehmet as you'v mentioned is trying to correct these things but he seems to have his work cutout for him, the other factions don't seem to be interested.
Hadra I don't have a issue with but what the ones I've mentioned are doing is that really Hadra?
What was unwarranted and wobbler style is naqshi calling brothers Jews and whatever else, his aligations that everyone on here is against Di and other Sunni Ulama etc. This type of emotional cultish nonsense is what's not needed and such individuals are jokers no matter what Sufi orders or organisation they belong to.
I don't know if the admins agree but I think the thread has reached its natural end or there is an impasse between the main protagonists, so better to lock it. We are going around in circles, and currently have gone away from the actual topic (a very serious one at that) to looking at what is the difference between hadra and dancing, which is an issue of fiqh anyway. Better off just closing the thread in my opinion.
Osmanlinaqshbandirizvi, nobody here is trying to refute ideas against khatame nubuwwat? Read some books, like The Killer Mistake. But I guess you're going to give us a fatwa saying it's haraam.
You don't have the guts to refute the kufr Lokman spouted about saying Nasruddin Hoja was originally a prophet. You don't have guts to call out an attack on Khatme Nubuwwat. You dont have the guts to call a spade a spade.
And you Shaykh Mehmet followers are constantly saying Shaykh Mehmet doesn't say this stuff. You're missing the point. You're running away from the discussion at hand.
You're scared to call out the kufriyaat we keep showing and the bid'ah we keep showing you. You keep dodging it by saying Shaykh Mehmet doesn't say it.
I haven't even pulled out a statement of Shaykh Mehmet in this thread and said this is the objection. I'm showing you that other people are defending/supporting/preaching kufr and they have influence and you keep jumping back onto Shaykh Mehmet.
And like this, you guys don't think Shaykh Mehmet should bombard kufr and bid'ah hard and change his approach for a while and that just boils down to how you treat your shuyukh as infalliable. You're not humble enough to accept that he can take far greater course of action if alerted about these issues.
I'm sure there are many things that happen which Shaykh Mehmet is unaware of. He doesn't sit down watching these videos and reading eshaykh articles - however some of the awwaam do. If he knew he would definitely combat this stuff..
Osmanlinaqshbandirizvi... you're not imprisoned here. Because your account isn't deleted you're being imprisoned here? There is a log out option, there is an option to go close your device, go sit with a scholar and learn some basic aqaa'id.
Also, anybody checked out hisham kabbani's book 'angels unveiled'? Why are there supposed depictions of angels? Don't tell me hisham kabbani doesn't know he's got a whole book with angels depicted on the front cover...
Watch the full video and tell me hadra was happening, FaqirHaider. They stopped to have a full dance session mid-way.
This is petty commenting , and unwarranted. It is to have Su-e-dhun of a sunni brother, along that you are being judgmental.
It not about seeing the light or whatever, this type of reaction or retort is actual reminiscent of Wahabi/Salafi criticism of the Shadhili’s in general.
If a person needs be petty then he can nitpick DI on many issues as well. i suggest you stick your criticism to that which is in creedal issues and not these things
And the Shadhilis have a history of hadra , so insulting this brother is insulting the likes of Shahkh Shaghohri and Shaykh Ahmad Al Habbal رحمة الله عليه l as they held “similar but more reserved” hadra session.
Have your reservation about Hadra, but it need not be pegged with ad hominems
That big fella seems to just want to party until whatever he's had wears off and the one in the sindi hat just looks plastered.
Imagine if 5 of these guys got put into a environment like Di for a 6 months, they'd either legg it after a few nights because it's too much hard work for these types or they'd end up seeing the light if they stuck it out. And on the other hand if 5 well grounded Di mureeds had to spend 6 months being part of this then they'd be asking themselves what have I done to deserve this punishment.
I nominate @Aqdas as warden of SPCF (SunniPort Correctional Facility).
One of the most hilarious quotes ever on this forum. As if the poor guy has been remanded into custody and he has no way of escaping. I am pretty sure the torture inflicted upon him is immense!
Maybe he considers himself to be Gollum?
Genuine question, why do you the individual keep referring to yourself as the third person when you post. You keep mentioning 'we' & 'us' like you're a member of the royal family or something.
Your not prince Andew are you because I think the Americans have some questions they'd like to ask.
Salam to all but brother Osmanli especially, we are not all against you in a bad way I have lots of respect for Sheikh Nazim (rh) and do not hesitate to learn from him and sheikh Hisham.
Salam brothers, I think this is our responsibility to answer this one because he is speaking our language and obviously Sunni from our region
It has not bothered us at all. Actually it has confirmed his agenda to put people in a position against there will by claiming be is vigorously strict on Sharia. Hence why you are losing so many followers and they are turning to Dawat e Islami, Naqshbandi (Haqqani/Aslami/Arshadi), Pir saqib Shami, Sheikh Hashimudhin al Geylani etc because they have found peace. They are leaving this small negative cult of so called Tarjusharia followers. due to your blind attacks and narcissistic khwarij traits against Allahs walis. They are learning about Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه from proper scholars. Not keyboard Muftis
If he wants to keep us on here against our will then he can, he will be questioned for it in the Akira. While you guys attack the sunnis. We are busy dealing with those against Kahtum e Nabuwat and the Ahle sunnah wa al jamaat Ashari Maturidi
alhamdulila . Nothing to do with me bro , if a man is singing kufri poetry . Lokman and his people need to sort this out ...
Got nothing to do with shaykh Muhammad Adil. Shaykh Muhammad even told Mustafa Hoca the mureed of who left lokman , not to go back there as they don’t listen .
Did this ever get addressed, Mureeds like these need to be corrected and taught the basics to avoid coming out with stuff like this.
Lokman in all likelihood didn't understand a word that's being said and just started going with the rhythm.
Brother stop doing a Abu layth by teasing him.
Just blow his lights out
And you keep saying Haqqanis will listen to shaykh Muhammad , brother shaykh Muhammad is doing beautiful work .. every day he is slowly slowly cleaning this tariqa . Conferences are not needed . What is needed is for him to travel to these countries which he’s doing and advising against deviancy in general and in tariqa . This is exactly what he’s doing . Not everyone in tariqa understands English .
1. Regarding perennialism
Question A question was asked about a western “sufi” group, the members of which, rather than observing the practices and regulations of the Islamic Shari‘ah, study and perform the practices of each of the major religions on a different day of the week (Friday: Islam, Saturday: Judaism, Sunday: Christianity, Monday: Hinduism etc.) saying that in this way they may benefit from all the Divine Teachings, not limiting the fountains from which they may draw. (...) What is the Way of Allah Almighty?
Shaykh Nazim RadiAllahu anh
It is one way – fighting the desires of the ego. If sitting and flirting with ladies, drinking, and doing bad things; they are on ego’s way. If one is looking into all religions in order to see which one is best; it is useful, but not to still be investigating and following such a way all your life. This is wasting time, wasting life, like playing. What, shall pork be forbidden on Friday and Saturday and eaten on Sunday? Idols denounced one day, worshipped the next? This is most absurd. If those people would choose one of those religions, any one of them, and follow it sincerly it would be better than what they are doing now. Their way is better only than atheism because, at least, it makes people interested in spiritual life and God’s law. There is no need for a new Prophet or religion now, the last one is enough forever. (Sheikh Nazim Adil Al-Haqqani RadiAllahu anh
Shaykh Nazim RadiAllahu anh was clearly against perennialism but you have foolish mureeds making foolish statements like that so called naqshbandi escadaman . Escadaman is not worth a whole conference over ...
Shaykh Nazim was clear on the matter of khatme nabuwut many a times I would hear from his blessed mouth advising his followers this very issue of finality of prophethood in his broken English .
In the same year he passed away , visitors would meet him .. when they would enter Islam he advised them
“ Till people going back to Islam , now people are coming out of Islam . The Lord of the Heavens is looking when my servant is coming back to me .. the Muslims world are following Europeans , Christians and Jews , they are not Muslims . Allah almighty accepting only Muslims . If they they don’t accept the Seal of Prophets SalAllahu Alayhi Wasalam , Allah will never accept them .”
February 2014 shaykh Nazim al Haqqani RadiAllahu Anh
Women Kissing hand of Naqshbandi Shaykh Hisham Kabbani 3 - YouTube
Some more hand kissing
Powerful Hadra At Feltham, UK. Friday, 07March2014 - YouTube
Reality is, it's a feel-good factor for you. Most people I know are in the haqqani tariqah because of feel-good factors, the hype, the hadra, the dancing, and they get too attached they cannot imagine life without this group. This perception warps their mindsets and stops them from starting from humble beginnings of sitting with a scholar and just learning basic aqeedah and fiqh. They know deep down, that if they study knowledge, then they will take their leave on the tariqah.
You just said with yaqeen a few posts ago that FaqirHaider is not a haqqani and his bay'ah is broken, and now you know you're in the corner so you're saying 'If you are a Haqqani then you are my brother."
Is the above 100% your last post?
I know that sidi Abu Hasan has inflicted immense amount of torture on your soul by not deleting your account. It must be really painful for you to not withhold yourself. He can definitely be held responsible for that!