sparring on hamza

Discussion in 'Bickering' started by naqshbandijamaati, Oct 8, 2012.

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  1. so you still ARROGATE yourself to decide who these 'WE MUSLIMS' are - thereby
    declaring, albeit, indirectly, other Muslims to be deviant/kafirs.

    You're a clown. If I had a higher IQ I could enjoy this conversation. I haven't got time to waste with you.

    Carry on in your little cesspool of hate.
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    learn to read. your lack of comprehension of even basic english is not my problem.

    i even explained with examples so that someone even as unintelligent as you could at least try and grasp it

    in any case, arguing only for the sake of arguing with a dead & egotistical person with no comprehension, like you, is futile. have your last say, take a blow as low as you want. i'm ignoring you now.

    ciao mate.
  3. since you belong to none of these categories then what qualified you to define Shaykh HY as one?
  4. i didn't dismiss all imported maulvis -- both my own teachers are imported maulvis --but the one's who restrict islam to 'my way or the highway' deserve criticism.

    you're the internet equivalent of these.
  5. it's nothing to do with HY being White or Chinese or Indian -- it's your insistence that your interpretation of the great scholars of the past gives you license to deem HY a mubtadi/mulhid on matters which are not clear cut.

  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    apparently summarily dissing "imported maulvis", without as much as examining who said what and why, and if at all it is right or wrong in light of the Quran and Sunnah and sayings of the elders of the Ahlus Sunnah - is not arrogance!

    it seems like it's arrogance only when someone gives evidence and speaks against a white 'convert' liar mullah and his fanboys who like to give opinions on anything whether they know it or not! they even have the right to give opinions on things said in a language they don't even know. we look for the 70 excuses here, don't we?
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    that is exactly your problem and exactly why you deserve the scorn and disrespect of any decent Muslim. ulta chor kotwal ko daantey! call you out on your arrogance, and you start with the crocodile tears and pull out the victim card!

    you are BLIND to see that who is a mubtadi3 or mulhid is defined by the Quran and Hadith and expressed in the explanations given by the Sahaba and the elders of the Ahlus Sunnah

    if for example, someone says that it is forbidden for Muslims to say that kafirs are doomed to the inferno (something mark hanson said in his buddhism essay in slightly fanciful wording), then WE MUSLIMS know that in light of the QURAN, SUNNAH, AND THE EXPLANATIONS OF SAHABA AND ELDERS OF THE UMMAH - such a person is a certified kafir and for very good reason.

    if someone badmouths 3Umar radi Allahu 3anhu, for example - then guess what - even a 5 year old Muslim child will judge him to be a bloody rafidi - all based on the Quran, Hadith, and the teachings of the Sahaba and the Ahlus Sunnah

    if only you knew and/or even had a mediocre capacity to think, rather than drooling over anything western!

    it is in fact YOUR arrogance and DEFIANCE that makes you just as diseased and disgusting as those mubtadi3s and/or mulhids you defend! sadly you don't realize it. you are arrogant towards anything east or muslim and bend over backwards towards anything west and kafir!

    but it's a waste of breath talking to someone like you, mate! no one can give guidance to those Allah has not willed it for. and no one can misguide those whom Allah has guided.
  8. ah the arrogance! making yourself the judge and jury as to who is mulhid and mubtadi!
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    so much for your grasp of symbolisms and metaphor.

    in any case, i was just speaking in the same appraisal of you that your buddies at yanabi gave

    what's the 'in' word for THIS day and age about some wide-eyed individual with an inferiority complex and a war with himself, who sees any and everything western as an incontestable Godsend?

    what apology?

    what hamza gave can roughly be quantified as follows

    50% - vitriol against those who pointed out his error, albeit crafted very "intellectually"

    25% - admission that he's a dunce and he should'nt have opened his mouth on this issue if he didn't know enough about it

    25% - bragging at what a supposedly great shaykh and intellectual he is (which contradicts with the 25% admission of his ignorance on the lahori qadiani issue)

    AND - he CAREFULLY managed to brush the following under the carpet:

    - his defense of his defense of dante
    - his buddhism epistle that drips with perennialism, kufr, and blatant lies against the scholars of Islam
    - the all famous "i'm sorry, if i can't add a rahmatullahi 3alaiha after her name, i'm in the wrong religion" said in regards to rachel corrie

    there are more but these are the major ones what i can think of right now

    if you call his arrogant vitriol against those showing him his error and open bragging as an "apology", then i pity your sense of reasoning

    lay out in black and white the points of contention, his stance, and give evidence for it from kitab, sunnah, and the words of sahaba and the elders of the ahlus sunnah, since he claims to be a sunni

    on matters of iman and kufr, there are no grey areas.

    i don't judge any sunni brother or sister as being a good or bad muslim. i am far below it

    as for mulhids and mubtadi3is, it's a wastage of my time doing it!

    cheers mate.
  10. AQ,
    i don't know about your hasab and nasab but I am certainly no 'choorha' thank you very much! I have a written shajrah going back many many generations...

    more importantly, what kind of mind uses terms like choorha in this day and age unless you're a completely ignorant moron?

    it takes a man to apologise for his mistake like Shaykh HY has done--yet that is not enough for you.
    if that isn't fanaticism I don't know what is.

    what more do you want HY to do? BTW, just because you might not think I am a good Muslim doesn't make it so...


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