Tawassul through other Prophets

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I have often found him "less than appropriate" in his choice of words. very often.

    this one is mild by comparison. he obviously meant it in a spiritual sense. We already use the analogy of a "tree" in "shajrah" - so, "branches" may not be too far off the mark.

    saf-e-har shajrah mein hoti hai salaami teri
    shaakhein jhuk jhuk ke baja laati hain mujra tera
  2. hamza1

    hamza1 New Member

  3. The below Verse is sufficient to answer this:

    "And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [Allah] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." (3:81)

    Support and Help in the Verse appears to include that which is provided to members of the Community of the Messenger of Allah (Peace and Blessings be upon Him) and this is proven by many of the Elect of the Ummah obtaining Help through Dreams and even wakeful states. It is well known that the Saints through their Wayfaring Receive Help at numerous stages of their Journey and this is well known and documented. Only the ignorant deny this.

    There are also Narrations that have general wording such as "Help, Servants of Allah" that from the apparent meaning cannot be restricted to say only one type of Creation such as Angels.

    From the Tabi`i Aban b. Salih, from Mujahid, from Ibn `Abbas, from the Prophet (upon him blessings and peace):

    Truly Allah has angels on earth, other than the recording angels, who write down whatever tree-leaf falls. Therefore, when any of you gets injured in his leg in a deserted land let him call out: Help, servants of Allah! (a`inu `ibad Allah)

    إِنَّ للهِ مَلَائِكَةً فِي الْأَرْضِ سِوَى الحَفَظَةِ يَكْتُبُونَ مَا يَسْقُطُ مِنْ وَرَقِ الشَّجَرِ فَإِذَا أَصَابَ أَحَدَكُمْ عَرْجَةٌ بِأَرْضٍ فَلَاةٍ فَلْيُنَادِ أَعِينُوا عِبَادَ اللهِ.

    al-Bazzar narrated it in his Musnad but there are other reports similar that support one another.

    There must be clear proof prohibiting Tawwasul through other Prophets (May Allah's Peace be Upon Them All) which I have never Seen and Allahu Alam.
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  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    first time I've seen such an opinion - that tawassul is only allowed through our Prophet 3alaihis salam and his pious ummatis and not through previous prophets.

    Shadee claims to be Maliki, and I think/believe he's close to keller and deos, and he isn't very clear on istighatha too.

    In any case, does anyone know further about this from any mazhab perspective?

    Just also noticed his usage of the word "branches". Is that appropriate?

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