the stigma of tafzeel

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  1. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    They think Pir Sayyid Abdul Qadir Shah is the greatest alim in the world. What work has he done in the uk, which young ulema has he produced, where is the 600 page book. It just seems there is always controversy around him. The murids are known as gangsters who go around threatening and attacking people. Enough Said.
  2. Assalaamu 'Alaykum

    Well , we must see to it that we follow the Path of Our Blessed Akabireen, Stick to the Path of Huzoor Sallallahu 'Alayhe Wasallam and His Blessed Ashaab-e-Karaam Hazraat Raziallahu Ta'alah 'Anhumah .. And this is surely the Path of Ahl-e-Sunnat wa al-Jama'at .. The Path which ALLAH 'AZZAWAJAL surely LIKES !!

    Now regarding the ruling of a tafzili, The Great Sunni Ulama-e-Karaam of the Past as well as the present have given the ruling that,
    Sarkaar Siddeeq-e-Akbar Raziallahu is the Most Afzal Bashar after Anbiya-e-Karaam Hazraat 'Alayhe Salaatu Wassalaam .. and this is the truth .. And this is the Aqeedah of us Sunnis .. And this is the Aqeedah of
    Sarkaar A'ala Hazrat Raziallahu Ta'alah 'Anhu and The Blessed Sunni Ulama wa Akabireen ..

  3. Abu al-Nasr

    Abu al-Nasr Guest

    If I am Asrar Ahmad then you can take to me account on the day of judgement for lying, like I will be taking you to account for lying.
  4. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    It's a similar stigma to when you say Abu Nasr is Asrar Ahmad.
  5. Abu Zar

    Abu Zar Guest

    tafzili is a term invented by mutakhireen e hind. there is no existence of this term in any of our aqeeda books from the first 1000 years for example although there were scores who held various opinions about tafzil.... just like brailavi is a derogatory term used by wahabis. do you say that you are a brailavi? if you do then i'm sure you will say that it actually means true ahl al-sunna etc...tafzili is a similar term.
  6. Assalaamu 'Alaykum

    Shukriya for The Information

  7. A mubtadi` is a person of bid`ah
  8. Assalaamu 'Alaykum

    If so, Thanks a lot for this information. Who is a Mubtadi?
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    no, no. this is our position, that is, a tafzeeli is a mubtadi not a kafir. in this video at least, shah sahib is agreeing with the position of alaHazrat and the scores of sunni scholars before him.
  10. I have great respect for Sah Sahib and his sayings. But still I wud request u to quote references from Fatawa Razawiyyah, Fatawa Aalamgiri etc. on this matter.
  11. Junayd

    Junayd New Member

    Can you name some of the past Sunni scholars who held that opinion? Who was for example the first Sunni scholar who took that stance?
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    in this video at 8:50, shah sahib says the denier of the ijma'a on the afzaliyat of siddiq e akbar is a mubtadi, not a kafir.
  13. Assalaamu 'Alaykum

    How can a true Sunni be a Tafzeeli? Or more clearly, is Tafzeeli a Sunni? What is the position of Sarkaar A'ala Hazrat Rahmatullah 'Alayh on this issue? As far as I have heard , Sunnis are not Tafzeelis..!

  14. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    excellent thread brother Aqdas, mashaAllah
  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    we have many people who claim that tafzeel [believing sayyidina ali to be afDal to shaykhayn] is not innovation and that a tafzeeli remains a sunni.

    what then surprises me is that when such people are called tafzeeli, they get defensive which to me seems like they too know, in their heart of hearts, that tafzeel is innovation.

    if tafzeel is not such a bad thing, then why blow your top at being called a tafzeeli?

    e.g. if someone says to me that i believe abu talib to be a muslim, i honestly would not lose my temper. i would only calmly explain that i believe abu talib did not die a muslim but holding the opposite is the opinion of some sunnis too.

    yet, when the people who claim tafzeel is permissible are called tafzeeli, they kick and scream and shout insults.

    why the stigma attached to tafzeel?
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