The view of Abu Hanifa on what the munfarid should say after ruku

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  1. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran


    sit down habashi
    You have no say in this.
     
  2. Does anyone have a pdf of
    The Prophet Muhammad's Knowledge of the Unseen by Gibril fouad haddad
     
  3. Why would the munfarid say the takbeer before the tahmeed? No scholar has stated this.

    Can you show the text stating this?
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2025
  4. IlmSeeker

    IlmSeeker New Member

    Man, all i did was asking clarification for a masail.
     
  5. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    meaning you're the next Atabek and Nooruddin
     
    Last edited: May 7, 2025
  6. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Well-Known Member

    I think we should let him speak and see what is his point so we are aware of new challenges... He looks halafi (hanafi salafi halafi )

    Let us hear him out and his thesis..
     
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Hahaha... really funny "Islamic" joke i read in a long time... really innovative upgrade from the wahabi 'i do my own ijtihad' or 'i can derive rulings directly from Darus Salam hadith translations' mantras!

    Go for it... will sell for a while!
     
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    salam.
     
  9. IlmSeeker

    IlmSeeker New Member

    I would rank myself from the 4th rank Hanafis to be from the Ashaab Takhrij.
     
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this approach is worse than the salafi who claims to derive directly from hadith.
     
  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this categorisation of mujtahids is itself made by later fuqaha. again, you are just picking some points and pretending as a mujtahid.

    clearly you are ignorant of hanafi fiqh or its usul.

    do you delude yourself as a mujtahid fi'l masa'yil? if not stick to fatawa of ulama. don't try to act like you are nooruddin.
     
  12. IlmSeeker

    IlmSeeker New Member

    I believe the later works do have much interpolations and additions which the mujtahid imaams of the madhab never said. One such a example is laying the hand immediately flat on the thigh after having raised the indexfinger during "Laa ilaaha ill Allaah" in the tashahhud.

    Laying the hand immidiatly flat again is a interpolation done by the lowest 7th rank of Hanafis (and only the 3th rank Hanafi scholar who is a Mujtahid fil Masail may conclude such a thing that is not mentioned by the Mujtahids of the school)

    If you claim otherwise, be my guest and quote a Mujtahid fil Masail who concluded that ruling.
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i did not say i know the issue so well. but i am not convinced with your approach.
    frankly, i feel you have an agenda and these questions are leading towards that hidden objective.

    so you can openly say that you are a hanafi muqallid. because your answers appear evasive to me.
     
  14. IlmSeeker

    IlmSeeker New Member

    I am follower of Hanafi fiqh. What do you mean with ignorance of my question. I read Sharh of Ibn Humam, Signaqi, Ayni and Babarti.

    It is well known that the Mabsut of Sarakhsi is a Sharh on al-Kafi of Hakim as-Samarqandi. And al-Kafi is a summary of the Zahir Riwaya works of Imaam Muhammad. It is not correct?

    If you know this issue so well, why dont you just answer it?
     
    Last edited: May 6, 2025
  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    are you a hanafi? the above answer seems evasive.

    does "trained" mean that you studied in a hanafi madrasah?

    that is surprising. given the ignorance that flashes in your questions.

    just asking: did you get this from AI or google search or is it your own opinion after reading so many hanafi works.

    how many shuruh of hidayah have you read - about this specific issue?


    you believe so? also what do you mean by "relied upon" - elsewhere, you are not satisfied with later works and insist on hanafi mutun.

    am not able to place whether you are ignorant of hanafi fiqh - or ignorant of the methodology - or just want to pick a fight.
     
  16. IlmSeeker

    IlmSeeker New Member

    I am trained in Hanafi fiqh, i have read almost all the online Hanafi books on the Shemela website. And more books. The issue i mentioned you can read it in any Sharh of Hidayah.

    Why Mabsut? Because it is a very extensive work by a early Hanafi authority based on the Mukhtasar work of Hakim as-Samarqandi who summarized the works of Imaam Muhammad.

    I believe the Mabsut was the relied upon work till the Radd al-Mukhtar was compiled.
     
  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    are you a hanafi?

    which hanafi books?

    how many hanafi books have you seen?

    why mabsut? why not any other work?
     
  18. IlmSeeker

    IlmSeeker New Member

    As salaamu alaykum,

    In the Hanafi books it is stated that 3 views are attributed to Abu Hanifa on what the munfarid praying one should say after ruku:

    1) Say only "Sami Allaahu liman hamidah.
    2) Say only "Rabbanaa lakal hamd".
    3) Combine both of them.

    Now i read in the Mabsut of Imaam Sarakhsi that a large amount of Hanafi ulamaa was of the 2nd view, and it seems Imaam Sarakhsi held this view too.

    According to this view, should the praying one say the takbir while raising from ruku and then say "Rabbanaa lakal hamd" in the qawmah?

    Or should the "Rabbanaa lakal hamd" be said while raising from ruku, and during qawmah one should remain silent?

    This is a "grey area" that i didnt find a answer in the Hanafi books.
     

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