Topics for jumu'ah khutbahs

Salaam, the most important question due to your screen name is are you AbuSulayman of Islamic awakening* fame?




*AbuSulayman refuted the salafis with clear cut victories years back

 

It all depends on the khatib there is some who I am confident will deliver a khutba which I would benefit from. Unfortunately for me I don't read Jumuah at their establishments very often. Coupled with that is one's own state of mind and spirituality.

I do get to hear the khutba of a couple of khatibs regularly. One delivers his khutba and tries to cover the issues often mentioned on here but he loses people's interest. The other is a much more complete and gifted scholar, son of a well respected Pir and has a lot of barakat in his learning (Allaah give him and his family more) but he glosses over things. However he always gives at least one tidbit of guidance, a sufi advice that I have always found relevant.

So more important than the topic is calling people to Allaah and giving them advice of how to overcome the hurdles they may have become entangled in.

 

this was the inch

this is the mile

 

Your arbitrary classification of relevant and non relevant topics is very problematic and contradictory. You state atheism is relevant but evolution is not? Most atheists adhere to evolution to describe the origin of life. If we don't know how to counter evolution, we can easily lose many Muslims. Also, there are idiots out there that claim evolution can be valid within Islam. So it must be dealt with accordingly.

Other points: How is learning about the Hanafi school relevant but knowledge of the unseen is not? Flawed to say the least.

 

false accusations. buhtaan.

give me an example where the belief contradicted "indian barelvi" belief, but was still an ahl al-sunnah belief, YET we "criticised or ignored or mocked" that belief simply because it was not "exactly the same" as "indian barelvi belief". we will set the record straight. in sha'ALlah.

how short is your memory? only a few days ago we have been 'defending' shaykh saeed foudeh who is not exactly a 'barelvi'.

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yes, if by "indian barelvi" you mean ahl al-sunnah, then they surely deserve to be mocked.

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Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

from some one who has been "lurking" about for long, that's a strange "impression" - to say the least.

for all those who have issues with the content of this forum - at minimum they are extremely unfortunate, and the spectrum runs through to severly bigoted.

speaking as someone who had been looking for truth long before they knew the existence of this forum - personally for me, stumbling upon it was no less than a major catharsis.

those who come here with pre-concieved notions about what is right and wrong and expect to find their views and biases mirrored here, or else are too non-chalant and too deeply buried in dunyawi issues to care about the rights of Allah and His Messnenger (peace be upon him) - are bound to be let down.

Most people here do not consider themselves "world building magicians" - they know full well that the ultimate decision belongs to Allah - so compromising on religious values just for fear of offending "modern" sensibilities won't work anyway. So why shoot ourselves in the foot - trying to pander to those who are not interested in the frist place?

ok, so the modern youth doesn't care a whit if someone says that falsehood is not precluded from Divine Power - so what?

Should we stop discussing it and refuting those who say such things - just because this cool guy finds it boring?

What should we do then - post live soccer scores?

I am sure that the thirsty will be lead to the well - when they seek.

We are just trying to dig one....

 

Here is what I think about this list. Please don't think of it as a personal attack. I am a Sunni but don't describe myself as a Barelwi just like Shaykh Asrar doesn't. Here is my view on how relevant each of your topics for khutba are in terms of importance for the common Muslim (awaam) in context of England. R = relevant. NR = non relevant. As a non scholar and a common, average, British Muslim these are my views. You are free to disagree.

It is a good idea in theory. Whichever scholar was quoted who said that 'We just focus on debating deobandis and labeling everyone a kaafir...
That's why people are not attracted to the teachings' was spot on. This forum is a perfect example of this kind of thinking. If someone isn't an Indian Barelvi with exactly the same beliefs he will be criticised or ignored or mocked.

 

Some of these social topics are not suitable for wider audience to jumuah khutbas.

For children (6-14 years old), who are often in attendance, it would be inappropriate. While these are openly discussed topics in schools (even primary & nursery) in UK, masajids are probably not the place for it. Equally it will make the target youths uncomfortable listening while seated among the elders (or so I think).

Some of these topics can't be discussed except within same youth age cohort. But, I'm an old-fashioned, grey-haired person!

 

I shared this post above with another knowledgable brother very involved in deen work and more aware (than me, at least) of ground realities. I want to share his reply (he granted me permission) and know what your thoughts are:


"The reality is that the majority of Muslims don't know what a "Sulh Kulli" is and our people continue to hammer away at issues that are not relevant at all to people's lives. That's why they are becoming less and less relevant. The person is talking about the "awam" but honestly, the Barelwis don't even know how to deal with the Awam and on a daily basis continue to lose people's interest...Pakistan is flying towards liberalism....if you anlayze who is the majority? It's the Barelwis and Ahle Sunnah...the buck stops there....wisdom is rarely used.
Also, our people exaggerate way too much...

The core tenets of faith are what should be focused on...all of these secondary debate issues...they are important, but not when people are not praying, on drugs, watching porn all day and killing each other over properties. We've let other sects become specialists over the CORE beliefs of Islam....and we spend most of our time arguing and debating
People need closeness to Allah, to reflect on Akhira, to listen to Seerah and stories of the Prophets (peace be up them), wisdom of why certain things are sin, how to behave with their families, etc...
We just focus on debating deobandis and labeling everyone a kaafir...
That's why people are not attracted to the teachings"

 

hmm.