Umar Minhaji Celebrating St Patricks Day

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    He keeps reading the verse incorrectly. Yes, ulama do make mistakes but this is the verse whose incorrect tafsir they use to base their whole perennialist trap.
     
  2. The Verse he quotes on Sabians is what the perennialists use but they won't tell you that the Verse was abrogated by "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (Surah Al Imran:85).

    Then he makes a serious mistake on the clover while Allah says "Do not say three"

    He should make Tauba

    Allahu Alam
     
  3. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    The old dog needs some new tricks

     
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    on a serious note, i'm confused with that qadiyani tv channel - there are arab qadiyanis wearing bishts?

    or that's a rafidi channel and they're congratulating their qadiyani brethren?
     
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    اللهم إني أعوذ بك من علم لا ينفع
     
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    you haven't studied deep abu Hasan!

     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a brother sent me this link and asked whether sunnis are saying this:

    https://www.facebook.com/umaralqadri#

    zindiq praises mulHid (perhaps, because he is talking like tahir zindiq)

    i wonder why saudis have not executed that murtadd farhan yet.
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    see the pictures:

    http://www.minhaj.org/english/tid/1...-to-interfaith-harmony-Sohail-Ahmad-Raza.html

    باب الردة
    *الردة كفر مسلم صَرَّحَ به كنفي الربوبية أو الوحدانية أو رسالته عليه السلام إلى غير ذلك، أو تضمنه فعله كتلطيخ الكعبة بقذر أو إلقاء مصحف فيه، أو شد زُّنَّارٍ

    *الزُّنَّارُ والزُّنَّارَةُ: ما على وسط المجوسي والنصرانيّ، وفي التهذيب ما يَلْبَسُه الذَّمِّيُّ يشدّه على وسطه. انظر لسان العرب: 4/ 330

    الشامل في فقه الإمام مالك

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    نیز یہ اُصول ہے کہ ہروہ شخص جو کوئی ایسا عمل کرے جس کے بارے میں مسلمانوں کا اجماع ہو کہ یہ کام کافر ہی سے صادر ہوسکتاہے تو ایساکام کرنا بھی کفرہے اگرچہ وہ اپنے مسلمان ہونے کی صراحت ہی کیوں نہ کرتاہو۔ جیسے کفار کے ساتھ ان کا مذہبی لباس مثلا ًزنار وغیرہ پہن کران کے عبادت خانے کی طرف جانا

    بہار شریعت حصہ اول

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    یوہیں بعض اعمال کفر کی علامت ہیں، جیسے زُنّار(1) باندھنا، سر پر چُوٹیا(2) رکھنا، قَشْقَہْ(3) لگانا، ایسے افعال کے مرتکب کو فقہائے کرام کافر کہتے ہیں۔(4) تو جب ان اعمال سے کفر لازم آتا ہے تو ان کے مرتکب کو از سرِ نو اسلام لانے اور اس کے بعد اپنی عورت سے تجدیدِ نکاح کا حکم دیا جائے گا۔(5)

    1۔۔۔۔۔۔ وہ دھاگہ یا ڈوری جو ہندو گلے سے بغل کے نیچے تک ڈالتے ہیں، اور عیسائی ، مجوسی اور یہودی کمر میں باندھتے ہیں۔
    ''اردو لغت تاریخی اصول پر'' ، ج۱۱، ص۱۶۲۔
    2۔۔۔۔۔۔ وہ چند بال جو بچے کے سر پر منت مان کر ہندو رکھتے ہیں ۔ ''فرہنگ آصفیہ''، ج۱، ص۱۰۴۔
    3۔۔۔۔۔۔ پیشانی پر صندل یا زعفران کے دو نشانات، ٹیکا، تلک جو ہندو ماتھے پر لگاتے ہیں۔ ''اردو لغت تاریخی اصول پر'' ، ج۱۴، ص۲۵۴۔
    4۔۔۔۔۔۔ في ''منح الروض الأ زہر'' للقاریئ، فصل في الکفر صریحا وکنایۃ، ص۱۸۵: (ولو شد الزنار علی وسطہ أو وضع الغل علی کتفہ فقدکفر، أي: إذا لم یکن مکرہاً في فعلہ، وفي ''الخلاصۃ'': ولو شد الزنار قال أبو جعفر الأستروشني: إن فعل لتخلیص الأساری لا یکفر، وإلا کفر)۔
    ''فتاوی رضویہ'' میں ہے: ''اگر وہ وضع اُن کفار کا مذہبی دینی شعار ہے جیسے زنار ، قشقہ، چُٹیا، چلیپا، تو علماء نے اس صورت میں بھی حکم کفر دیا کما سمعت آنفاً''۔ (''فتاوی رضویہ'' ، جلد۲۴، ص ۵۳۲) ۔
    ''فتاوی رضویہ'' میں ہے :''ماتھے پر قشقہ تِلک لگانا یاکندھے پر صلیب رکھنا کفر ہے ''۔ (''فتاوی رضویہ ''، جلد۲۴، ص ۵۴۹) ۔
    ''فتاوی رضویہ'' میں ہے : '' قشقہ ضرور شعارِ کفر ومنافیِ اسلام ہے جیسے زُنار، بلکہ اس سے زائد کہ وہ جسم سے جدا ایک ڈورا ہے جو اکثر کپڑوں کے نیچے چھپا رہتا ہے اور یہ خاص بدن پر اور بدن میں بھی کہاں چہرے پر ، اور چہرے میں کس جگہ ماتھے پر جو ہر وقت چمکے اور دور سے کھلے حرفوں میں منہ پر لکھا دکھائے کہ ھذا من الکافرین ''۔ (''فتاوی رضویہ'' ، ج۱۴، ص۳۹۳) ۔

    نام کتاب : اَلزّوَاجِرُعَن اِقْتِرَافِ الْکَبَائِرِ
    ترجمہ : جہنم میں لے جانے وا لے اعمال

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    these days a lot of SUNNI scholars when they talk about riddah and kufr, only talk about riddah by ae3teqadi kufr, either deliberately or out of sloppiness

    it is the duty of scholars to make the awam knowledgeable that riddah or kufr can be of 3 types

    1 - lafzi (spoken/written)
    2 - ae3teqadi (creedal)
    3 - fe3li (in deed, like throwing the Quran or wearing the crucifix or wearing the zunnar, wal 3eyadhu billahi ta3ala)

    the dajjalic shaykhs like tahir, jifry, hanson, keller etc. are specialists in all 3 types, but when caught out, they will conveniently mislead the awam into thinking that only blatant creedal denial like denying Tawhid can count for riddah (or in the case of blasphemy against the Prophet 3alaihis salam, one can utter any rubbish as long as he doesn't mean it in his heart - something keller believes he is judge and jury over, it's all cool, wal 3eyadhu billahi ta3ala). keller's IKT is a well-crafted masterpiece on this deceit, as are the discourses of ali jifry and hanson.
     
  9. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    he is from "them"
     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    wearing the religious symbols of the kuffar. what's the ruling?
     
  11. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Patrick was a trinitarian, not a unitarian, who probably were the Muslims of that time. Unitarians made a big force in Central Europe and Iberia.

    However, Patrick lived more than 1600 years ago. What's more revealing about Minhajians is that Nanak, a confirmed dajjal, claimant to prophethood and outright kafir, is called "Dave ji" by Minhaj, religiously, and his birthday celebrated religiously. His perennialist thoughts promoted, and his false religion called "sikhi" admired.

    http://www.minhaj.org/english/tid/30540/PAT-attends-birthday-celebrations-of-Baba-Guru-Nanak.html
     
  12. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Just like George Bush and Tony Blair were bestowed with sainthood!

    Long term mission of these munafiqs has always been to get Muslims away from siratul mustaqeem on to the footsteps of shaytan. And how to do this... by claiming a shaytan to be a wali!

    And yet people choose to be blind....
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

  14. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Patrick was a christian missionary, living in the 5th century (gregorian).

    How can such a Kaafir be called a "saint"?

    I suggest we use "Satan Patrick"
     
  15. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُوا كُفْرًا لَّن تُقْبَلَ تَوْبَتُهُمْ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الضَّالُّونَ

    [A/I`mran 3:90] Indeed those who disbelieve after having accepted faith, and advance further in their disbelief - their repentance will never be accepted; and it is they who are the astray.

    is celebrating st patricks day a lesser kufr than celebrating christmas? they've done it so many times before, so what difference is it going to make?

    tahir and his cohorts have a simple formula: keep uttering kufr and the kalema at the same time; simple minded muslims will think you are a muslim; and the kuffar will keep you in your laps (just like they do to their dogs).
     
  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    oh yes.

    but too bad for him us desis see this kind of thudd kilaas netagiri everyday in life. perhaps he thinks his crocodile tears (together with the shamrock) stand a chance with the irish!
     
  17. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    this document contains abominable half-truths which are attributed to the Qur'an and the Prophet (peace be upon him) and since the minhaji has written the foreword to it he is responsibile for not just that one passage quoted below but for everything written there. On page 20, apparently a muslim woman is pinning up a prayer request to a church notice board!

    Not surprising at all, seeing that he's a minhaji. He took the pains to absolve himself of the charges of drinking and accepting money. See the messed up priorities? He doesn't shy away from contributing to kufriyat, uttering kufriyat and of-course his discipleship to a zindeeq, nay, he advertises these things boldly but what hurts him is people saying sarcastically that he might/could have drank alcohol, which is a sin but not kufr!

    In-fact, I don't for a moment believe, that he really took the alcohol thing seriously, he understood well that it was sarcasm, he only wanted to use it, even as his murtad teacher uses sentences out of context to shed crocodile-tears and play the victim in front of people, to try and discredit us by calling us liars and extremists and himself the victim of unjustified accusations!

    He's learnt his tricks well.
     
  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    he must've missed my post #4 or might have deemed it more important to clear his name on drinking and taking money from governments and ngo's part.

    i called him a kafir and a murtad for saying that patrick brought "the true religion" to ireland despite his admitting that it contained the trinity.

    plus being a chamcha of tahir adds to that charge of riddah.
     
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  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    he is a zindiq who is an outright jahil. i challenge him to read a book of alahazrat in public - a book of our choice - and then explain terms and references. he should read it with few mistakes (as we understand that even a great scholar* can stumble) and "i don't know" is an acceptable answer for very difficult questions. but if he is truly capable, he can research and fish out an answer before turning to the last resort of "i don't know".

    i challenge tahir to explain an aqidah or fiqh or hadith matn -i don't talk of complex or advanced treatises, but commonly used matns commonly used for centuries - a text of our choice, and handed extempore. agreed, he may have to refer books, and we will hand him (in PDF) any book he wants for reference - but he should do all this in full view of the public and without input or assistance from his aides.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.


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    *lest umar minhaji or some others mistake it - this is not even a hypothetical reference to tahir jhangvi; not by miles. it is just a principle for a fair contest.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2015
  20. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

    Who knows what he had been drinking when he was writing that.

    Hes confused at the best of times
     
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