UP elections and tauqir raza

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  1. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

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  2. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    Red herring was directed at you.
    I've never heard of this Tauqir guy.
    There are many who attribute themselves to Bareili sharif, but actions speak louder than words.
  3. IbnAsif

    IbnAsif New Member

    ok if you say so.
  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Even if you see it in that context and you don't support the original pre-partition, his statement is dangerous. How would he expect to conquer Pakistan (even ignoring Pakistan's nuclear capability) without shedding countless number of Muslim (Mainly Barelwi) blood on both sides?
    What would the purpose to be? To realign Hindustan to the pre-partition borders but whose rule? Yep, Hindus, who are accelerating towards apartheid and fascist level of nationalism. Yes a valid argument about foregoing nationalism has value but not in this climate. It will actually increase the level of nationalism.
    If the aim is to get Muslim rule in Hindustan, then that does not seem realistic at the moment.
    As Malcolm X said if he had a choice between Republicans or Democrats, he would go for Republicans because at least their enmity is clear.
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  5. Shadman

    Shadman Active Member

    As a Bangladeshi origin, I too believe the partition of the Indian subcontinent we have today shouldn't exist. I really hate the notion of nationalism.
  6. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    What he said was we have the strength to conquer Pakistan and make it part of Hindustan. Many Indian Muslims, including myself, don't support the partition of India and would prefer the original pre-partition Hindustan; so I see his statement in that context.
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    my bad. i just meant to assert that it's no tom dick and harry Barelwi.

    i came to know of this political involvement thing by our people just 6 months back with this episode - https://muslimmirror.com/eng/anger-...dargah-e-aala-hazrat-cleric-meets-yogi/?amp=1 - do read it

    brother which video is the one where he said all this.

    the video you linked in post # 2 is the one from this month where he's diplomatically slapped idolaters on the face and he's causing them to froth at the mouth!


    politics is a devil's game, and specially in the current world one needs to play these duck and dive, wound and heal, divide and rule kind of games. we also need to pit one set of kuffar against another set (if we do get involved in politics, for those who think political abstinence is detrimental to our interests). there's no place in modern politics for a straightforward person, much less indian politics.

    i think it's time for some qiyas from Fatawa Ridawiyyah and the works of our other elders on political strategy and mudahanah and other such topics.

    i say qiyas because Ala Hazrat's direct fatawa are from british india and contextually inapplicable in our times (at least word for word) as modern india is a totally different entity from then. in fact, it is a totally different entity even from the 70's india of Mufti Aazam Hind. he didn't support the british as our devbandi cousins allege he did (@abu Hasan please comment), and yet he was vehemently against hindus and Muslims being one against the british in the "struggle for freedom", as the gora firangis are a lesser evil than the idolaters. alas, not many people heeded his warnings and fatawa on tark e mawalat. in fact the reason we are in this mess today is because of those super duper deshbhakt so-called Muslims who considered the hindus as their brothers on the one hand, and mr. Jinnah who split the subcontinental Muslim diaspora into three parts on the other hand

    anyway, in the here and now, there are no firangis as a buffer between Muslims and hindus, so we're really stuck between a rock and a hard place between political abstinence and involvement.

    we also need to be fair, if a desi Muslim is appeasing hindus (or playing one set of hindus against another) only as a superficial political stunt for furthering some Muslim interest/s and we are willing to give him a benefit of doubt, will we also be that way at the so many politically involved Muslims in the west too, or those who appease western leaders and ideologies?

    our ulama need to do some serious work on drafting new political strategies and rulings for the current world we live in.
  8. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    In my humble opinion the term "Pseudo Bareilwi" should also not be used. In fact any reference of any bidati to being a Bareilwi should not even be brought in any discussion. Shaykh Asrar ought to accept his mistake and rectify himself rather than asking others to contact him.

    Forget Bareilwi and just look at the state of the ummah as a whole. So if a Muslim deviates from the correct path will Shaykh Asrar label the person a "Pseudo Muslim"? Obviously not! And are bidats only restricted to sub continent Sunnis or are they much more widespread in the ummah as a whole ?

    Most of these jahil personalities that Shaykh Asrar cites are Hanafi, and these people add Qadri or Chishti or any other mainstream sufi silsila to their titles. So why does he not rather call them Pseudo Hanafi or Pseudo Qadri or any similar term? After all you see these jahils adding these sufi order titles to their names rather than adding Bareilwi or Razavi to their names.

    The point that these Western scholars should understand and realize is that in the Sub Continent Ala Hazrat has become the symbol of Sunniyat. So no jahil even has the courage to disassociate oneself from his name even though one's actions point the opposite way to that of Ala Hazrat.
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  9. Adham12

    Adham12 Active Member

    Maybe you should’ve done your homework, it would’ve saved you the embarrassment.

    Your desperation is showing to find any dirt against the bareilvis. At this point, you’re just digging in the weeds.

    Bareilvis are here to stay. In sha Allah.
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  10. Khanah

    Khanah Well-Known Member

    Bro Bilal- what was Shaykh's response to your query?
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  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    why are you behaving like the kuffar, who call upon muslims to condemn terrorists whenever there is an attack? as if we are responsible for the actions of everyone who calls himself a baraylawi.

    if people think that i was advocating that 'barelwis' are all ma'sum - i am sorry. i never claimed barelwis are ma'sum. i was only calling out the unfair labelling of everything evil as barelwis.

    but if barelwis indeed do this or that - go ahead and criticise.

    there is another long post below about the 'definition' of barelwis, etc. some points in that need a response. in time, in sha'Allah.
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  12. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Active Member

    May Allah unite the ahlus sunnah and protect us from fitnah and grant us understanding.

    May Allah preserve our sunni Ulama and awaam.

  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    ok - I didn't know that he was related. Too bad and should be condemned. And has already been.

    Another proof that barailwis stand for principles and will refute even those related to Imam Ahamd Rida if they veer off course.

    But that is the extent - how does he become a front line person in the maslak?

    Has he written books or fatwaa which many subcont sunnis refer to? Have all sunnis united in his defence?

    A harsh reality of life - how unpredictable things and people are.
    I can only say: the apple has fallen too far from the tree.
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  14. IbnAsif

    IbnAsif New Member

    I don’t think you read my comment correctly. I myself contacted Shaykh Asrar to ask him to clarify.

    Also this clip of Tauqir RAZA was posted on Facebook a few months ago and I asked a few Brothers close to me who have links in India to see what happening but never got a reply. Hence I posted on here.
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  15. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Not at all a red herring. Just coz you didn't hear of him, don't mean he don't exist!
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  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Bro, these are not tom dick and Harry's with Raza in their names. They're members of the khanwada and some of the front line people in the maslak.
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  17. IbnAsif

    IbnAsif New Member

    جـَــــزاكـُــــم الـــلّــه خـَـــــيرًا

    I was not aware of these videos.

    بارك الله فيك

    Thank you for your opinion.

    Are you referring to me or Tauqir RAZA.
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  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Tauqir Raza is a UP based politician and member of Ala Hazrat's khandan.

    Apparently he was refuted for being sulah kulli.

    But what about Salman Raza (son in law of Asjad Raza saab) getting all cozy with yogi adityanath mardood?


    Just saw @Hanafi Sunni post again. Apparently Tauqir Raza was refuted by Salman Raza.
  19. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Active Member

    why doesnt shaykh asrar come out and clarify his stance publicly.

    there is always a comment as such "if anybody needs any clarifications they should contact me"

    who made the mistake? shaykh asrar
    who made the dayabina happy ? shaykh asrar

    yet the public must run behind shaykh to get clarifications on blunders he makes? doesnt make sense to me.

    whats even funny is, shaykhs disciples then come and post different charlatans and question why didnt barelwis (true sunnis) make radd of these people? which seems they want to support shaykh asrars little mistakes.

    brother bilal. Shaykhs IT team needs to work. as i heard the title was a mistake by the IT team. So is the IT independent of shaykh and can do as they feel?
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  20. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    Who is this guy? Never heard of him. Seems like a bit of a red herring.....

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